Paladin too overpowered, nerf their damage output!

[Syfurion]

I would come to love shake it off too if it really did remove everything except vuln/resistance/damage stacks. Even the confuse from lakshimi/directional marches/hysteria/frog/pig/etc... and other things that are not currently removable. That would not in any way make it OP and make it actually useful beyond niche content.

Hell, if they made it break unbreakable shit like that, they could slap like 10 gauge cost on it, and I wouldn't even complain about it.
To be honest, the only real change I'd like to see for WAR (other than giving Bloodbath back, which I know is never happening), is I would like our 'DPS' combo (Eye/Path) to be higher potency than Butcher's Block. It's not even a large gap, it's 20 potency, total. 150/200/280 versus 150/190/270. Royal Authority is 160/240/360. Soul Eater is 150/250(390)/300(440). I feel like Storm's Eye/Path could be like 150/220/300 and not be an issue.

[eschaton]

SE balances things in mysterious ways, lol. At times you'd think it's all balanced around what the head honchos currently are playing.

PLD kinda deserved a little spotlight, that's alright.

[Yeol]

Umm.. I don't think so...
All tanks are currently balanced.

[TouchandFeel]

All tanks are currently balanced.

I've seen many detailed explanations for why the tanks currently are not balanced.

I would love to see more detailed explanations for why people think they are in fact balanced, as opposed to just statements not backed by reasoning.

[Yeol]

I've seen many detailed explanations for why the tanks currently are not balanced.

I would love to see more detailed explanations for why people think they are in fact balanced, as opposed to just statements not backed by reasoning.

According to FFlogs, they are balanced.
Don't forget that after 4.0 changes came (4.05).

If we were still talking about 4.0 then I will agree then they were not balanced.
But now they are.

[ovIm]

According to FFlogs, they are balanced.
Don't forget that after 4.0 changes came (4.05).

If we were still talking about 4.0 then I will agree then they were not balanced.
But now they are.

They are balanced in terms of DPS, that is correct. However, PLD brings a lot of raid mitigation skills that the other 2 classes do not have access to. The tanks being roughly balanced in one aspect does not mean they are balanced.

[Freyyy]

According to FFlogs, they are balanced.

You can't say that tanks are balanced solely because they are very close to each other in terms of DPS only. There's more to tanks than just their DPS. It's like if all DPS classes had exactly the same DPS, would you say that they'd all be balanced ? Would SAM, MNK and BLM having the same DPS as the likes of NIN, BRD and MCH be balanced ? No. It's the same for tanks.

[aqskerorokero]

Paladin now has all things that should be in the game from 3.0... an aoe on gcd, magic block, and 1 resource based dps skill. And for that guy that said he didn't understand why an big ass axe and a giant sword can't output more damage than a stick (one hand sword)...well...the nuke ability is a white magic SPELL...that has to be casted.

Caster > Melee XD

[Tint]

Paladin now has all things that should be in the game from 3.0... an aoe on gcd, magic block, and 1 resource based dps skill. And for that guy that said he didn't understand why an big ass axe and a giant sword can't output more damage than a stick (one hand sword)...well...the nuke ability is a white magic SPELL...that has to be casted.

Caster > Melee XD

well, Dark Knight uses magic all the time with Dark Side and Dark Arts, together with his massive sword... Caster + Meele > Caster > Meele ?

we should not forget that PLD has a shield. for balance reasons either PLD should lose some attack, or WAR and DRK should get a passive trait for an increased parry rate. if PLD wants to dps the same amount, why does it has better defense then? either you trade off some mitigation for damage, or you make everyone equal in everything.

[aleph_null]

Based on fflogs statistics all tanks' dps are within like 2-3% of each other when played well (95%+ percentiles), with war mostly on top. The things that make pld really powerful are the utilities, and the "easy" unpunishing rotation where war is has the strictest and most punishing rotation.

Intervention is really good in fights with many tank busters like neo exdeath, you can basically have intervention up for every single aero 3. Combined with sentinel or rampart, intervention in a "free" cd for the other tank (30% mitigation from sentinel + intervention is as powerful as war/drk's most powerful mitigation outside holmgang/LD), while still mitigating damage for yourself, so it's really powerful for mechanics that hit both tanks (twin bolt, terminal antilight). Cover having 20% mitigation makes it essentially a free rampart when you can coordinate cds with the other tank. You can use cover + awareness + sheltron for o3s critical hits without using up your own personal cds for picking adds. You can cover + rampart + sheltron the #1 aggro healer after the almagest following grand cross delta, so you don't have to fight for aggro while they do multiple big aoe heals. If you time it right cover and rampart will last for both aero 3 and earth shaker, that's essentially a free bonus rampart for 2 tank busters while making aggro management easier (instead of provoke + 1-2x halone while the healer is using cure 3 and medica 2, you can just provoke after they're done healing, then have them use lucid).