Would it be alright to ask for level restriction for rank?

[Jigokunoreizasan]

And in all of those games, even overwatch as you mention, people want those requirements to be higher. They just want to keep piling them on... as though it will somehow help filter out "bads".

Really though... if you want to play with better players, rank up. But people will always be unhappy with losing teams in pvp. So it goes.

This season is so bad it's really hard to "carry" unless you heal, being forced into a role just to get out of "elo hell" is absurd. I've never seen anyone cry to improve rank requirements in overwatch... If you're a decent player you skip over all of the "bads" and actually play with players around your skill, you're not forced to move up from Bronze, Silver, Gold, and Diamond just to get where you belong

[Risvertasashi]

I've never seen anyone cry to improve rank requirements in overwatch...

Then you don't frequent their forums. They make the exact same arguments you, Dmal, and others are making "Hurr durr level 25 is too easy", "Can't carry these bads," etc etc.

[Dmal]

Then you don't frequent their forums. They make the exact same arguments you, Dmal, and others are making "Hurr durr level 25 is too easy", "Can't carry these bads," etc etc.

You are completely ignoring the point that people with absolutely zero game knowledge can enter ranked pvp at any time once they hit lvl 30. which at the current state of the game a newbie can reach after about 5-10 hours of playing the game tops. everyone is cool if they do that in a casual mode where the whole reward is exp. But these players have access to a competetive mode where we actually play for prizes. You can't just tell people "get good if you want to play with good palyers" when literally people who would reach top 100 in each season are forced to play with those people and DEPEND ON THEM PLAYING WELL to even get back to their ranks.

[Risvertasashi]

You are completely ignoring the point that people with absolutely zero game knowledge can enter ranked pvp at any time once they hit lvl 30.

And this is complete hyperbole. By level 30 they've experienced a number of dungeons, experienced the cross class system, learned class roles, and so on. And... pvp is so different from pve now, putting some arbitrary level requirement on it won't help in the slightest. They'll have to relearn everything for pvp anyways. (Also I'd like to see someone get that far in 5~10 hours. I don't think it's possible, unless you have a crew to unsync your dungeons for you and maybe even then because you still need exp).

By the time you're in silver, seeing bronze newbies is rare. By gold... well, perhaps possible if you're queuing at some really weird times, but nearly nonexistent.

[Jigokunoreizasan]

And this is complete hyperbole. By level 30 they've experienced a number of dungeons, experienced the cross class system, learned class roles, and so on. And... pvp is so different from pve now, putting some arbitrary level requirement on it won't help in the slightest. They'll have to relearn everything for pvp anyways. (Also I'd like to see someone get that far in 5~10 hours. I don't think it's possible, unless you have a crew to unsync your dungeons for you and maybe even then because you still need exp).

By the time you're in silver, seeing bronze newbies is rare. By gold... well, perhaps possible if you're queuing at some really weird times, but nearly nonexistent.

PvE level restriction won't help no, but a PVP level restriction will. We still have PvP levels for some reason, might as well make them useful and set it for locking ranked behind that.

[Risvertasashi]

PvE level restriction won't help no, but a PVP level restriction will. We still have PvP levels for some reason, might as well make them useful and set it for locking ranked behind that.

OW players would beg to differ, I think, but let's look past that for now and focus on XIV.

That might be a fair requirement, but I'm not sure that would really help if they're just spamming frontline. I would instead suggest a few unranked battles as a requirement, or perhaps a "Hall of the Novice" for pvp that must be done first. Enough to teach basics, but of course 'meta' strategies and some such things wouldn't be suited here as they tend to change over time. In any case, I don't think the requirements should be overly arduous -- those that learn quick will do well quick. Those that don't, won't be helped by setting a high gate.

[Jigokunoreizasan]

OW players would beg to differ, I think, but let's look past that for now and focus on XIV.

That might be a fair requirement, but I'm not sure that would really help if they're just spamming frontline. I would instead suggest a few unranked battles as a requirement, or perhaps a "Hall of the Novice" for pvp that must be done first. Enough to teach basics, but of course 'meta' strategies and some such things wouldn't be suited here as they tend to change over time. In any case, I don't think the requirements should be overly arduous -- those that learn quick will do well quick. Those that don't, won't be helped by setting a high gate.

A Hall of the novice I can agree with, as well as with the match requirements. Anything is better than throwing fresh meat into a pit with hungry wolves

[Dmal]

And this is complete hyperbole.

Yes, just as me having people dealing less dmg on DDs than I am on my paladin in pvp is also a total hyperbole /s

The issues we're talking about are literally happening. they aren't just some made up story all of us came up with all of a sudden.

[Risvertasashi]

Yes, just as me having people dealing less dmg on DDs than I am on my paladin in pvp is also a total hyperbole /s

DPS dealing low damage isn't always hyperbole. Claiming people that have been playing the game for however many hours (which is most assuredly higher than 10 hours) have zero game knowledge, that is the very definition of hyperbole.

Would you like to make an actual argument, or shall we stay here in pedant corner? xD

[Dmal]

DPS dealing low damage isn't always hyperbole. Claiming people that have been playing the game for however many hours (which is most assuredly higher than 10 hours) have zero game knowledge, that is the very definition of hyperbole.

Would you like to make an actual argument, or shall we stay here in pedant corner? xD

Do you maybe think that it might be possible that some of us might be looking up cases of our bad team members on the lodestone and then seing that quite a few of those are on their first class that hasn't even reached lvl 60 yet? Because boy, lemme tell you, the possibility of that is quite high.
Edit: also a search info still exists in a match