It is time to get a 3rd free Retainer

[Krotoan]

This is the only MMO I've ever played - especially a p2p one - that rents inventory space. It's unacceptable.

I hear that a lot from people who dislike the way this was implemented. Your position is valid of course.
I dont see it the way you do I suppose. I got along all the way to 4.0 with the base retainers even though I'm a bit of a packrat. I got all my crafters to 60 and do tend to collect glamours.
I am feeling the crunch, and now i pay for 2 extra retainers because I feel it's less trouble to pay than to manage my inventory as tightly as I used to.. but it is doable. It's just not worth the trouble VS the money to me.
What is unacceptable to you is just another thing I'm willing to throw money at to make it go away. here's to hoping we all get another retainer to help everyone.

[Kazrah]

I appreciate the frustration.. but as has been said before very few people use the retainer "rent" system. Giving people a free extra one GUARANTEES all existing characters are going to use those resources. If absolutely everyone rented all 6 slots, I'm sure there'd be more servers and bandwidth purchased to accommodate them as they grew.. but this is increasing resource use without any additional revenue to support it. Very different case.

So there'd be more servers and bandwidth to accommodate for something they should already have enough servers and bandwidth for anyway....right....

[Krotoan]

So there'd be more servers and bandwidth to accommodate for something they should already have enough servers and bandwidth for anyway....right....

I'd appreciate more actual discussion and less flippant dismissal. I'm not saying it would magically appear. people would pay money, that money could be used to pay for those things as demand obviously increased.
Whether or not they should already have these things is a matter of opinion. In a perfect world a game provider would be able to potentially handle their servers being used at max capacity constantly forever. This is not how they are run. As demand increases, adjustments are made. Nobody would lock up the capital necessary to max out all possible eventualities, you'd make your investors pull out instantly. You run it as cheaply as you can at a reasonable level of service, maximizing profits and minimizing customer disappointment.

[Slirith]

I'm pretty sure the problem with just adding more retainers isn't about losing players paying for them, it's about server and bandwidth needs. Thats a whole 'nother retainers worth of items, and equipment for EVERY SINGLE CHARACTER. It's a big uptick in resource use. Probably why they haven't just voluntarily done it.


that being said I sure could use more space and another venture runner.

So players must pay for SE's incompetence? Gotcha

[Snow_Princess]

So players must pay for SE's incompetence? Gotcha

exactly, there is lots of options to deal with this, but for whatever reason they CHOSE not to, has nothing to do with hardware limitations but limitations they put on themselves.

I'm pretty sure the problem with just adding more retainers isn't about losing players paying for them, it's about server and bandwidth needs. Thats a whole 'nother retainers worth of items, and equipment for EVERY SINGLE CHARACTER. It's a big uptick in resource use. Probably why they haven't just voluntarily done it.


that being said I sure could use more space and another venture runner.

That is the reason for this thread:
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...space-increase

The main focus is space EFFICIENCY since clearly the servers are from the 1970s or something. So assuming they can't upgrade and we have to keep dealing with that, then they really should lesson the amount of items we have to deal with. This means removing repetitive crafting materials and unneeded currency bloat. In the end though I think the retainer system is hugely inefficient (having items store be the same place where you have to sell things, on top of ventures) so it is most likely time get rid of item management from them, have players put up items on the MB themselves while item management goes to a bank, that is a GOOD way to relive server stress.

In the end we pay for 8 retainers and still have way too few space, which just sucks... >_>

Yup

What do you think would lose more money a month: people not paying a small, yet pointless monthly fee for one more retainer, or people not paying for a game subscription because of how fed up they are with not only how little inventory space is available, but that this is the only MMORPG on the market where you have to use real-life currency to rent--not pay, rent--additional storage space on top of having to pay for a subscription?

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Hello, I am still on the fence of quitting, 68 days is quite away. The TC is my tenant of the house I own in the background, and my sissy here is posting for me because I can't myself due to my forum name. I am a level 70-2star omni-crafter of balmung, along with having all DOW/DOM/DotL/DotH 60+, with 5-70s (1 tank, 2 healer, 1 range dps, 1 caster dps)

I glam every job, I specifically level 60-70 one at a time and seal gear because of inventory issues, even though I am going to need them again. I may keep some left, but for the most part I only save the 63 sets for glam, and the 300 sets to have a receptive Ilevel for that job to learn and do other things in. I also have a friend that does this very thing including the next I am about to say. I have a 309 AST and a 304 WHM, why? despite sharing gear? they can be both 309 easy. They are not because we glam EACH job! we would also like to have split glams for our gathers and crafters, but we lack room (armory) to do this. I keep my glam set on me with the job I am currently leveling while putting the rest in my primarily glam retainer who is overfilled at 175 spots and leak to others. I waste so much time and stress over lack of space.

I do not like some people claiming the issue is simply hordering. I can't even craft the 320 gear in a respectable amount of time because I have to keep selling off overflows because I have no room to hold it. I have no room to craft and all I am doing is making 50-70 things. Calling this a hording issue with all the stress I have to go though to craft such a small portion of the game is an insult. I have 8 retainers, it is not enough room, and these 8 retainers cost too much money. For non legacy monthly it is 27.99 a month, for me it is 117 for 6 months with legacy and 6 lump discount, what MNO charges that much money? Then tack on the overpriced items in the mog shop on top of that? and you do not understand why people feel ripped off? You make it sound people are just complaining about 2 dollars a month, they are not, they are complaining 4-12 dollars a month (plus a 9-15 dollar month sub) while not having enough room.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...ers_nightmare/

Even if you think it is not desperate need, you still said it would be nice to have, so you should be simply supporting the thread, not insulting people and calling them horders. I can buy iron ore from a NPC in my house, same with Cotton Bolls and other such things. I can easly keep a stack of these on me so I am not wasting time running to the NPC everyone something sells that is based on it. Now I do not have the room to do that anymore so I use what I need at the time. It eats so much time I need to question why is 5-20 gil mat sold by a NPC doing in 50-70 synths for? It is not fun, it is item bloat, this game has too much items, this game has too much item currency bloat.

I asked my novice network to try get a more idea of what maybe the average player feels. I only had one person tell me they are thinking about quitting over this issue while the rest where confused. A few did not even know what a currency was, simply calling them a "misc item" I shown the definition of currency:


I have a retainer full of currency, and I tossed some recently that I hated doing but I needed to because of no room. It is ridiculous I am tossing out items I need simply because others are more important. We should not have so much currency as items.

Per retainer does not have enough space, we lack the ability to transfer between retainers directly, I do not have enough room to move items from retainer > myself (while moving items to that retainer as temp because I do not have enough room for one way) > move to 3-6 different retainers and keep repeating this. Once you do this enough times the slow loading of each retainer and the slow menu pop up and retainer menu bloat (and overall bad UI) gets on your nerves. Of all the problems holding this game back, this would be the biggest one, and seeing a thread have 197 likes should prove that.

I do not like doing ventures sometimes because of room issues, I hate getting some drops in dungeons because of room issues. I just want the retainers not to give me the useless items they find because I do not want to see it in my packed bag. This needs addressing.

The old answer I would have given would be that I care about the game and want to see it improve, and that I wanted to give SE a chance to act on our feedback. If I were to leave, I would no longer have that capacity, partly because I could not post here.

My new answer is I unsubbed yesterday, good luck everyone .

I'll be right behind you if they don't change anything by 4.1. Take care!

I see.. I guess it was a bit sooner then 4.1

So how many people posting here hit the unsub now? or at least canceled the auto renewal?

[RichardButte]

Storage wouldn't be so much of an issue if items from past xpacs were made largely irrelevant, but they sadly aren't.

The new goldsmithing metals require a number of ores from ARR (including copper ore), ALCs need mats from HW for SB recipes, and don't even get me STARTED on what CUL players have to suffer through.

I can appreciate that they make older gatherables valuable in this fashion, meaning that someone leveling botany can gather HW mats that are used for level 65 reisuis in ALC, but at the same time, this whole situation necessitates more storage.

Otherwise, you're going to find yourself constantly selling and rebuying/harvesting mats you NEED for your 65+ recipes.

[Jybril]

Has nothing to do with limitations or bandwidth or whatever.
they're nickel and diming us and it's
unacceptable with this games payment model.
suddenly you can get x retainers if you pay for them!
no one likes f2p buy more baggage space so why do it here in p2p. this is why ib can't be fooked with crafting myself, especially cooking which I really want to do.

[Darker_Midnight]

I have 2 extra retainers and I have to be absolutely brutal on my glams. Anything I haven't used for a month or two gets turned into GC seals (sob), if I can craft it I get rid of it unless it's hard to source materials for, if a dyeable, craftable version shows up I tend to get rid of my other dungeon versions, throw whatever I can into the Armoire, etc.

As for crafting mats, I mostly only keep processed materials now (nuggets/ingots, finished gems, etc). Only raw materials with a LOT of cross-uses (Deepeye tears, say) stay unprocessed. I'm still doing ok, although I've had to offload a lot of HW materials now that they're worthless.

[Laerune]

I would love to see 1 retainer per expansion, but now that they are making alot of money from them I dont think they will give up the dough.

[Zukissa]

I just sell anything I don't immediately need for crafting.