SMN 4.06 Changes

[NovaBismarck]

I am personally glad for the dot changes, but the first thing I said is why not fix the Bahamut death penalty issue first? Though it's likely not an easy fix. I think it's a matter of the changes needed to be implemented are larger than the job allows. They've stuck a band-aid on a wound that much larger. So, now we wait on the main patch.

I honestly hope the changes will be significant and significantly better. (Still playing RDM in static, because no one wants my beloved SMN).

[NorthernLadMSP]

Someone on Reddit shared this, saying it was how they feel SMN is currently, and I died laughing so I thought I'd share here:

https://youtu.be/2muOSktFFzE

[Remedi]

ya i thought that at least ruin 3 mp cost would have been adjusted with 4.06... there is absolute no reason and no other skill ingame with that huge amount of mp cost compared to its laughable pot – ruin 3 cost isn't justified anymore. so why can't they just reduce it? Blm & Rdm both "can't get oom"... even if they try hard... smn on the other hand is still struggling with ruin 3 spam... just why?

because it was not meant for you to spam that, the idea for it is to be used during DWT as a filler, the mana dump gameplay was derived by the fact that you could pump excess of MP into dmg and it should remain at that imho

[Tsumdere]

because it was not meant for you to spam that, the idea for it is to be used during DWT as a filler, the mana dump gameplay was derived by the fact that you could pump excess of MP into dmg and it should remain at that imho

So... what exactly are you supposed to do between DWTs? Stand there?

[SeriousxSarcasm]

So... what exactly are you supposed to do between DWTs? Stand there?

Use Ruin III, but pay attention to your mana, obviously. If it starts to get too low switch to Ruin I or II. I completely agree when you compare other classes' potency, it doesn't make sense for ruin III to be so limited, but it's not a complete gimp if you know what you're doing.

[Ryuko]

because it was not meant for you to spam that, the idea for it is to be used during DWT as a filler, the mana dump gameplay was derived by the fact that you could pump excess of MP into dmg and it should remain at that imho

SMN have been using Ruin 3 (outside of trance) as a filler since HW. The trick is to make sure you don't overdo it and accidentally go out of mana. Since you need around 3500 mana to raise someone, it's best not to go below that -- just in case you need that mana reserve to raise a dead person. The difference between HW and SB is that Ruin 3 saw a significant potency decrease in SB. Basically, Ruin 4 is now taking the place of Ruin 3, except it procs via other spells and is cheap to use. Ruin 3 is still expensive and should always be used as a filler inside of trance, but outside of trance, you're just not getting the damage boost you used to get from Ruin 3 spamming. I recognize how SE is trying to 'normalize' every single class... make it more linear, etc... but I would like some sort of recognition for proper mp management as SMN. Right now, Ruin 3 spamming outside of trance isn't much of a damage boost... although, of course I'll continue to do it. Every little bit counts.

[Tsumdere]

Use Ruin III, but pay attention to your mana, obviously. If it starts to get too low switch to Ruin I or II. I completely agree when you compare other classes' potency, it doesn't make sense for ruin III to be so limited, but it's not a complete gimp if you know what you're doing.

I know that lol. I was more poking fun at the fact they said you're not really supposed to use it outside of DWT, unless I'm reading it wrong (and looking back at it, I think I did - English pls). The potency to cost ratio for Ruin III is wonky, at least they could increase the potency if they want to keep the mana cost.

[SeriousxSarcasm]

I know that lol. I was more poking fun at the fact they said you're not really supposed to use it outside of DWT, unless I'm reading it wrong (and looking back at it, I think I did - English pls). The potency to cost ratio for Ruin III is wonky, at least they could increase the potency if they want to keep the mana cost.

Oh haha. Sorry for misunderstanding. ^^; It could be they're just newer to the Job? Most starter rotations advise people about using Ruin III in trance, etc etc. (that's the rotation I ended up finding when I had turned 60). The spam outside of it I had to learn from fellow SMNs in the game because all the darn rotations were outdated. D:

Right?? I wish at the very least they'd put Ruin III back up to 200 potency and then buff Ruin IV to 300 or even 250. I died in my 1st run of O4 and my DPS tanked to something pre-60 because you can't touch Ruin III (or anything else useful) until your mana recovers and Aetherflow comes back. >_< Ideally I think potency would be fine though if they just halfed the mana cost of it.

[ShaolinMike]

I know that lol. I was more poking fun at the fact they said you're not really supposed to use it outside of DWT, unless I'm reading it wrong (and looking back at it, I think I did - English pls). The potency to cost ratio for Ruin III is wonky, at least they could increase the potency if they want to keep the mana cost.

Yeah they definitely said they were trying to steer people away from using Ruin III outside of DWT.

[Neela]

Yeah they definitely said they were trying to steer people away from using Ruin III outside of DWT.

For fallng behind even further? What dumb logic is that? .___.