Thread: SMN 4.06 Changes

Originally Posted by Komaku

In my honest opinion though the ruin shuffle isn't the biggest problem it is the Aertherflow issue being locked out of using it till after you have exhausted Dreadwyrm trance really slows down a summoners rotation.

That's the change that annoyed me the most, plus that using Aetherflow when you have Aethertrail pretty much erases your Aetherflow stacks. I don't know why they did it exactly, was it because they don't want people summoning Bahamut so fast? Or do they think people can't handle managing Aetherflow and Aethertrail so they had to dumb it down?

Normally I play healers, but occasionally I like to just go for kill questing - and use smn (as I leveled with sch through ARR/HW).
So got on smn and went out into the Stormblood world.

All I can say is no wonder there are many posts on this class after 4.0. Pffft - makes you wonder how some of these changes could have passed the devs testing reviews.
Think I'll park it, RDM looks like a lot more fun.

if SE create scale for the pets and use their corresponding jobs and set X% of what the job doing one could possible fix the summoner companion/pets. it also be use for future pet jobs to come

Originally Posted by Zetsumei_Tsunarashi

I'm curious how people would feel if pets were invincible but could not gain enmity.

This would mean you never have to worry about your pet dying but also that titan would lose its identity as a tank and would have to be changed to fit some other purpose

Let's be honest titan is pretty bad as a tank anyway so I'd be fine with not having a pet tank for me personally. I'd rather he had some useful buffs and maybe decent dps to compare with the other two.

Honestly find this as one of the better suggestions. Bahamut already functions like this, so why not give Titan a purpose?

question Zetsumei

would it be Dem-titan or would it be like soaker summon that soak up damage you get

Originally Posted by Dyvid

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But this thread and many many like it show why devs can't ever get a clear message on SMN improvements; most people posted don't want to play FFXIV's SMN but would rather tear it down and rebuild it in their own image. I've seen these exact same idea posted in 2013; make pets bigger, summons should just be nuke spells, DoTs don't make since, yada yada yada. The devs try to please everyone and end up just pissing off the SMN community they have.

Now I'm all for people having idea on fixing FFXIV's SMN current problems but focus on that rather than burn it down and start over because it's not going to happen no matter how much you want it. SE might even take your idea and tack it on the current model in the worst possible way making the job play even more clunky than it already is.

I thought the HW Summoner was pretty good as far as how it played and what it was which was a DoT class with pets. It seems to me that with 4.0 SE lost the identity of what type of job they wanted the Summoner to be. Personally I don't care a whole lot whether it is a DoT, Pet or traditional Summoner class I would just like to see SE decide and make a smooth flowing, rational ability rotation job that I can enjoy like I did in HW. I think in that context there is a lot here from SE to draw on without restarting the Summoner from scratch but it is highly dependent on SE understanding what they expect of the Summoner and being able to implement it.

Originally Posted by Exodus-E

Funny, I was toying around a similar idea concerning Titan-Egi/tank pet.
Except instead of turning it into something else, I'd have simply removed it outright (thus putting the Titan-Egi "skin" onto your melee pet, as part of the "Egi glamour" system).
That way there would be no need to actually have a tank pet at all, nor having Sustain back.

(And before you point that out, yes: that would also mean re-arranging ACN's skills/teaching SCH its own "Summon Selene" command)

Titan as a non tank pet, could be protecting you with shields and surecast buffs. Dealing low damage, enough for beeing a no go for raiding purposes, but a good protector for soloing.