Thread: SMN 4.06 Changes

The problem is:.....ok, it's not just one thing.
Abilities work in series, in rotation, so adjustments need to be considered in light of the whole.
Otherwise you move further away from a synergistic play style.

For me, the mass introduction of 3 gauge systems hasn't been the brightest idea that's happened to classes.
Once that was done, several abilities had to be bent toward accommodating it - not just for SMN. Lily system for whm just feels like a forced mechanic for example.

The problem with smn then is the subsequent attempt to marry this 'we all got to have a gauge' approach with the previous flow of dots, ability rotations etc.
It hasn't worked. On the basis that you don't change for change sake - you change to improve.
This has been the opposite, introducing frustration and dissatisfaction among the class players.

When will mmo developers learn the lesson that you adjust things on an incremental level - gradually.
To do otherwise is to risk damaging a class, which then takes an extended period to fix, as they refuse to admit serious initial errors of judgement. Forcing new fixes on the class which only result in moving it further away from the good position it was in.

Originally Posted by Luxpheras

Hello adventurers,

Thank you again for continuing to provide extensive feedback and suggestions. Please continue to share your thoughts with us, and we'll be sure to pass it along to the dev. team!

Originally Posted by Brinzy

I'm sure you all have ideas as to how you want to improve the class. Any chance we can get a cursory glance of ideas you're thinking of, or is that off the table?

There we go: If you were part of the DEV team what adjustment will you make to Summoner?

Ideas from Dissidia summon mechanics, Potd Manticore mechanic, Elementel wheel mechanics, trances mechanic, pvp profil mechanic, pet-skill ideas etc - several ways to go, interesting to see if anything the community thought about is going to be inspiration for the dev team... fingers crossed ^^

Originally Posted by babizokahh

Ideas from Dissidia summon mechanics, Potd Manticore mechanic, Elementel wheel mechanics, trances mechanic, pvp profil mechanic, pet-skill ideas etc - several ways to go, interesting to see if anything the community thought about is going to be inspiration for the dev team... fingers crossed ^^

I don't mean to be a Debbie Downer, but I would strongly suggest not getting your hopes up. Unless there are riots in the street or the entire game flops like 1.0, I don't think SMN will ever be reworked on a massive scale akin to these suggestions.

Throwing away current SMN would be a massive waste of resources. Designing a new and balanced job is a huge time (and money) sink, so they'd probably have to put aside a new job planned for 5.0 to rebuild SMN from the ground up (for 5.0). Then there's the community backlash from literally retiring a job and handing them a completely different one. If the transition from 3.x to 4.0 is anything to go by, it would not be pretty.

Then there's the possibility of new SMN not even being that good. Sure, these suggestions sound fun, but in practice they might not be at all viable. If they put hundreds of hours into a brand-new SMN and it ends up only slightly better than current SMN (or worse) then it ends up being a huge waste of time and money.

The smartest thing for the dev team to do is to continue work on current SMN, tweaking the job until the community is satisfied with it. The best people can hope for is the release of a new job in a later expansion based on one of these SMN ideas with a different job name slapped on it.

But I could always be completely wrong. I'm just saying that it's probably best to not hold your breath for some massive changes to Summoner.