SMN 4.06 Changes

**MidnightTundra** · 08-08-2017 02:46 PM

Originally Posted by Valenten

They should have buffed Ruin 3 and 4 and the dots imo. Then the mechanical changes in 4.1 but Im convinced at this point that no one on the balance team actually plays SMN. SMN should do more dmg than Red Mage simply because its harder to play than RDM is.

It most likely will actually. Not by much. This buff will give around ~200DPS to the smns doing 4k DPS on single target. SMN was only 130 ~ 150 behind RDM on single target.

The issue is that contagion is one of the strongest buffs in the game but no one runs caster comps so embolden wins. Caster comps will most likely never be a thing due to RDM being a caster that doesn't synergize with other casters. Around 20% of RDMs DPS is physical.

**Cynric** · 08-08-2017 03:00 PM

Originally Posted by MidnightTundra

It most likely will actually. Not by much. This buff will give around ~200DPS to the smns doing 4k DPS on single target. SMN was only 130 ~ 150 behind RDM on single target.

The issue is that contagion is one of the strongest buffs in the game but no one runs caster comps so embolden wins. Caster comps will most likely never be a thing due to RDM being a caster that doesn't synergize with other casters. Around 20% of RDMs DPS is physical.

There's like way more than just RDM keeping caster comps from being viable.

on-topic : Summoner buffs were meh but expected, they said only potency buffs till they can make more systematic changes to the job itself.

**MidnightTundra** · 08-08-2017 03:04 PM

Originally Posted by Cynric

There's like way more than just RDM keeping caster comps from being viable.

on-topic : Summoner buffs were meh but expected, they said only potency buffs till they can make more systematic changes to the job itself.

Obviously but yes, this is part of it. Physical DPS either provide stronger raid buffs or do more DPS than casters. Also Tank DPS > Healer DPS.

**Fannah** · 08-08-2017 05:49 PM

Originally Posted by MidnightTundra

Around 20% of RDMs DPS is physical.

I may be wrong, but I doubt Fleche + Contre Sixte to reprensent 20% of the RDM overall DPS.

**ShaolinMike** · 08-08-2017 06:04 PM

Originally Posted by Fannah

I may be wrong, but I doubt Fleche + Contre Sixte to reprensent 20% of the RDM overall DPS.

Their entire melee combo is also physical.

EDIT: 5am braining is not so good. Disregard lol.

**MelvinK** · 08-08-2017 06:06 PM

Originally Posted by ShaolinMike

Their entire melee combo is also physical.

Enchanted version of the melee combo are magical.

**Claire_Pendragon** · 08-10-2017 05:36 AM

Originally Posted by MelvinK

Enchanted version of the melee combo are magical.

Im starting to think the normal WS is magical, or at least if it is physical, it still uses magic attack stats, since y auto attack at Lv70 takes 6 hits to kill a Lv5 mob, but it takes a non enchanted Riposte to kill a Lv43 in a single hit.
granted its pretty easy to find out, i was was willing to unfilter a bunch of info in my chat log.

**Remedi** · 08-08-2017 06:07 PM

Originally Posted by MidnightTundra

It most likely will actually. Not by much. This buff will give around ~200DPS to the smns doing 4k DPS on single target. SMN was only 130 ~ 150 behind RDM on single target.

The issue is that contagion is one of the strongest buffs in the game but no one runs caster comps so embolden wins. Caster comps will most likely never be a thing due to RDM being a caster that doesn't synergize with other casters. Around 20% of RDMs DPS is physical.

The melee combo of RDM is magical dmg too tbh, that said I think that what's killing caster coomps is the mindset behind comps and ppl not trying new things

edit: also take consideration that PLD have a magical burst phase once every minutes

**MidnightTundra** · 08-08-2017 06:35 PM

Originally Posted by Remedi

The melee combo of RDM is magical dmg too tbh, that said I think that what's killing caster coomps is the mindset behind comps and ppl not trying new things

edit: also take consideration that PLD have a magical burst phase once every minutes

There is no reason to do a full caster comp because Physical DPS simply do more with more synergies. Embolden's value also gets lessened when you start removing physical damage dealers out of the equation. I'm also aware of how RDM's Enchanted Weaponskills work.

Originally Posted by Fannah

I may be wrong, but I doubt Fleche + Contre Sixte to reprensent 20% of the RDM overall DPS.

You are forgetting Displacement and Corps. These make up roughly 4~5% of your damage whilst Contre and Fleche are 14~15% combined. You're sitting at 18~20% of your DPS being Physical - Piercing damage.

**Nezia** · 08-08-2017 06:41 PM

Originally Posted by Remedi

that said I think that what's killing caster coomps is the mindset behind comps and ppl not trying new things

There are only 3 magical dps in the game right now and:

>You don't want RDM in caster comps since it buffs physical damage, but you can still take one if you want to.
>Bards are just too usefull right now, simply having one in the group highly increases the chances of killing a boss.
>You need one melee dps for LB but: you don't want MNKs since they work better in physical damage comps, and if you wanted to have as much casters as possible in this comp(BLM, RDM and SMN) so you also don't want a DRG since they need a bard in the group to pull their full potential, so this leaves you with only NIN and SAM to choose for melee.

So... A caster comp is hard to build(you need very specific jobs), and you only have room for 2 casters(3 if you really want to give up a bard), and does not actually synergize very well. While for physical comps as long as you have a bard and don't repeat jobs pretty much anything goes.

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