Thread: SMN 4.06 Changes

ya i thought that at least ruin 3 mp cost would have been adjusted with 4.06... there is absolute no reason and no other skill ingame with that huge amount of mp cost compared to its laughable pot – ruin 3 cost isn't justified anymore. so why can't they just reduce it? Blm & Rdm both "can't get oom"... even if they try hard... smn on the other hand is still struggling with ruin 3 spam... just why?

For a band-aid fix until they can implement greater changes, this one wasn't awful. I really just think SE needs to do something about how punishing death is... and also reconsider a method to heal our pets. I think, because pets come back with full HP after Demi-Bahamut goes away, that may be why SE 'took away' Sustain. They just assumed we wouldn't need it. But, no, no, no. Now we really have to pay attention to where we park our pets. (Sidebar: LET ME CHOOSE WHO I GIVE DEVOTION TOO.) But, that's the same as it was in the past, too. You can't just let your pet sit and wait for cleaves on top of the MT. I remember keeping pets alive in Shiva Ex was the most annoying thing. You had to constantly move them, and that's when we had Sustain. I would consider it a personal accomplishment if my pet survived the full encounter when Shiva Ex was current content (not a lot of healers like to give them love).

As for SMN being in a bad state... Yes, less people are playing it, but the damage potential is still really good -- if you don't die. It's just frustrating when you die through no fault of your own and now your numbers tank for the rest of the fight. It's one thing if you die because you, personally, messed something up. It's another if you die because a healer forgot to top you off or someone else didn't do the mechanic right so you died as a result. I've played SMN since 2.0, through all the ups and downs... when it was considered OP, when it was considered awful... It's never been as bad as people say. Remember, when they buff jobs, they are not buffing them for the top tier players. They are buffing them for the average player clearing current content. So, strive to be really, really good and you'll be exceptional no matter what job you're playing. If it's just a numbers game to you, sure, pick the one with the greatest potential -- but in all but the most exceptional parses, you'll find that 'good' players in each role will perform at very, very similar levels.

Well hopefully this is just a band aid fix instead of "Jobs Done" fix because it has design complaint across the boards that need to be address.

Originally Posted by Jonnycbad

They said in a recent stream that they can only do bandaid buffs for jobs right now because they\\'re working on bigger scale changes to be implemented in a large scale patch like 4.1. Stop despairing.

Link please?

At least it's a step in the right direction. I don't understand people wanting to prioritize sustain over potency increase. How often do your pets die? Mine die very very rarely. Often times I forget they are even there (other than the buffs in my rotation, which is a problem for a pet class) and they stay alive. I want either higher potency so that if we die our dps will balance that out to make our risk/reward the greatest or the ability to not have to start completely over with our guage filler. I prefer not to lose my progress over the other option. Sustain is the absolute last thing I'm worried about.

Originally Posted by Valenten

They should have buffed Ruin 3 and 4 and the dots imo. Then the mechanical changes in 4.1 but Im convinced at this point that no one on the balance team actually plays SMN. SMN should do more dmg than Red Mage simply because its harder to play than RDM is.

It's not even the difficulty. SMN is a DoT based job and DoTs have to deal more overall DPS to ever be balanced with burst damage. The trade off in balance terms is that RDMs and BLMs can deal high burst damage on demand whilst SMNs deal higher damage over longer periods of time. If SMN deals lower overall damage and it takes them longer to deal that damage with limited burst potential then the job is dead in the water because burst is always preferable otherwise.

Originally Posted by Revanslave

At least it's a step in the right direction. I don't understand people wanting to prioritize sustain over potency increase. How often do your pets die? Mine die very very rarely. Often times I forget they are even there (other than the buffs in my rotation, which is a problem for a pet class) and they stay alive. I want either higher potency so that if we die our dps will balance that out to make our risk/reward the greatest or the ability to not have to start completely over with our guage filler. I prefer not to lose my progress over the other option. Sustain is the absolute last thing I'm worried about.

It's not Sustain or potency increases, you know. We could have both. SCHs got both last patch when they saw adjustments across the board and got Miasma II back. There's no reason we couldn't have gotten Sustain back in addition to any other changes.