Thread: SMN 4.06 Changes

Originally Posted by Jonnycbad

It's hard to balance skills by comparing them individually across classes, without taking into account what else that job has.

I basically did that already though.

Devotion is the single weakest buff in the entire game.

No other class has a buff so small as 5% to a random person (basically how it functions.) Dragon Sight is a 10% buff for the dragoon, and 5% for the person they are tethered too. I wish Devotion was like this... Might actually get a benefit, other then the healer.

Embolden? 10% for self and 10% for physical damage for party.
Brotherhood 5% for entire party physical damage.
Litany and Chain Stratagem 15% crit entire party.
Foe Requiem 3% damage for entire party that lasts like 30 seconds.

Devotion can't even buff the summoner. If you do anything Solo, it's greyed out. (Ironic for something called devotion that's a pet skill and can't be used on you, the summoner.)

Originally Posted by Ariomi

Devotion is really weak to be honest.

Consider the following.

Devotion has a 90 second cooldown. Boosts one person by 5%.

Brotherhood also has a 90 second cooldown and boosts the entire party's physical damage by 5%.

Entire party... vs one person.
Dragoon has dragon sight, which boosts their damage by 10% and the person they are tethered to by 5%. I believe it has a slightly longer cooldown then devotion, but the same could be said for embolden, Chain Stratagem, and anything else.

one person getting buffed 5% is so small it's hardly even noticeable.

Most frustrating Devotion can land on a healer which is just as good as wasted. It feels like a filler spell to not leave a gap on skill gain through 60-70.

I think Bahamut should have an AI like the other pets do, but he also has all of the cooldowns of the three pets as well (as in, he has Contagion, the AoEs, Radiant Shield, and a defense boost). It makes having him out really worth it.

Originally Posted by dinnertime

I just hope they make SMN similar to the PvP version. It's the smartest thing they could do right now.

This lol SE is so lost on SMN it's ridiculous.

It's funny to see just how screwed up Summoner is and how unanimous the community is in saying that it needs huge changes when it wasn't that long ago before Stormblood's launch when the Lv.60+ ability/trait tooltips were revealed and people were being hushed for looking at SMN with doom and gloom.

Well Len, the SMN pre 70 took a massive nerf (when the tooltips got out it was like what the hell ?) but many were hoping for errors in tooltips and the compensation from Bahamut at 70.

But the tooltips weren't false, except the mistranslation on fester (yeah) and the one on devotion (ouuuuuh), and Bahamut does the compensation job at the price of clunkiness of rotation so...Yes for some people it went from "it looks shitty but let's see and give it a chance" to "oooh man I suck now and the folks writing guides are a galaxy away, really ?" real fast.

Don't boost any potencies, just be done with the ludicrous lock out. Using aether abilities during transe or when we already have 3 stacks of aethertrail, but without throwing it out of the window, having contagion and stimulation available all the time when CD is up, with enkindle becoming enk Baha when needed, should be a great help to not needing a 3 minute rotation plan ahead (how do you expect us to have a 3 min rota preset in mind with several cooldowns in actual fights ? Or make it so that using one CD badly doesn't punish us so bad gosh I feel like misusing one contagion on a 3 minute dummy is a 400 DPS loss).

Originally Posted by Karshan

Well Len, the SMN pre 70 took a massive nerf (when the tooltips got out it was like what the hell ?) but many were hoping for errors in tooltips and the compensation from Bahamut at 70.

But the tooltips weren't false, except the mistranslation on fester (yeah) and the one on devotion (ouuuuuh), and Bahamut...

...Bahamuts potency is fucking laughable which can be beaten by deathflare which shouldn't be the case... they should keep mention that its just poor pet potency... : /