SMN 4.06 Changes

**dinnertime** · 08-18-2017 02:53 PM

Originally Posted by paoweeotter

hmm idk I never played SMN before SB and the abilities feel like they have fluidity. but then I didn't have the experience previous summoner have regarding the old playstyle.

To me, it's the change from Aetherflow, Aethertrail and Dreadwyrm Trance that made things not feeling so fluid.
Back then Aetherflow and Aethertrail stacked so you don't need to wait and finish doing Dreadwyrm Trance to use Aetherflow again. Plus, you can use Aetherflow abilities during Dreadwyrm Trance which was good.

Yeah, it's something I should just get used to, but the job feels limited in a lot of places now like Aetherflow and AoE (Because of removing Blizzard II, Miasma II and the Shadowflare change) and like Airget said, there's no way to accelerate getting Aetherflow, Dreadwyrm Trance or Summon Bahamut which sucks.

**prophecy4seen** · 08-18-2017 10:16 PM

As a QoL change. I believe the Aetherflow button should become DWT once 3 stacks are collected.

**Ashbury** · 08-19-2017 03:27 AM

Originally Posted by prophecy4seen

As a QoL change. I believe the Aetherflow button should become DWT once 3 stacks are collected.

DWT buttom should become Deathflare once pressed, since it's impossible to DWT twice in a row, even if there wasn't a cooldown. That's how they done in PVP, so we know it's possible.

**KarstenS** · 08-19-2017 04:20 AM

Originally Posted by Ashbury

DWT buttom should become Deathflare once pressed, since it's impossible to DWT twice in a row, even if there wasn't a cooldown. That's how they done in PVP, so we know it's possible.

Enkindle should also get Enkindle Bahamut. Currently I use a button swapping macro for this. But in some special situations, its not changing the button back.

**Karshan** · 08-19-2017 08:16 AM

Originally Posted by KarstenS

Enkindle should also get Enkindle Bahamut. Currently I use a button swapping macro for this. But in some special situations, its not changing the button back.

There is an other thing to do :
put enkindle on a slot on the side just to see when it's available, cause the macro will have Enkindle Bahamut icon (you use it more often and being on a timer it's better to know when Akh Morn is available again so I chose to micon the Bahamut one) then set this :

/micon "Enkindle Bahamut"
/actionerror off
/ac "Enkindle Bahamut"
/ac "Enkindle"

Whenever it can cast the first one, it will, if unavailable / on CD it will cast the second. The actionerror is to avoid the annoying "you cannot blehblehbleh".

Note that it works for DeathFlare and Transe as well.

**Iromi** · 08-19-2017 05:26 AM

I really hope they make some needed adjustments soon, I don't like the extreme punishment for dying on SMN.

I wish they would take away the bane nerf and deathflare...put it back to how it was and for the love of all things holy let us use aether stacks WHILE UNDER TRANCE D:

**Claviusnex** · 08-19-2017 09:21 AM

Originally Posted by Iromi

I really hope they make some needed adjustments soon, I don't like the extreme punishment for dying on SMN.

I wish they would take away the bane nerf and deathflare...put it back to how it was and for the love of all things holy let us use aether stacks WHILE UNDER TRANCE D:

They also need to fix the three and a half Ruins. To start replace Ruin I with Ruin III at level 54 just as Bio and Miasma are at 66. Make Ruin IV automatic when under DWT. Lower the MP cost for Ruin II and III or increase their potency.

**NeoZanther** · 08-19-2017 07:40 AM

so with all these recent changes (and just overall 4.0 changes) what is the main stat focuses of Summoner now? I'm almost thinking Crit and SpSeed are still the high ones to go again, but Direct Hit looks nice too...

**Savagelf** · 08-19-2017 09:39 PM

I now see what people say with the whole deathflare and aetherflow

I still believe the summoner pets do need to be improve. I think that give summoner Ramuh and Shiva would a awesome improve Shiva at lvl 65 and Ramuh at lvl 70
the Dreadwyrm trance could also be add again at lvl 95.
I think remove Bahamut not permitly would be a fine start the whole ideal with Bahamut doesn't work that well. my view is this the players and Devs work in symbical relationship what benefit one benefit the others. my view on bahamut is he should be a lvl 100 summon. SE the summoner has been a part of all you ff titles. my suggest won't take always for those who want to glamour they servants it add to them they would able Glamour Shiva and Ramuh as well it work with the lore the fact that Ramuh stranger in his dialogue has respect for the Mother Crystal. Since the summoner hasn't benfitted they need to be improvement on it my suggest drawn on lore of ffxiv it allow the player to bring more of Prime power into this erozath make Egi more live being without redoing the lore of games Yoshi P state that it important stay in the lore of games.

I believe the that one should replace the Pyhsick of summoner with pyhsick work with Scholar in this you be distance the scholar for the summoner even more. the Egi become conductive for Prime power and summoner become the master of the that conductive it won't allow us to drawn too much of Prime in just enough to weild it power. it tough to balance summoner pet out yet you have many talent devs to talk to like ffxi team you ask them for help on balance the summoner pet out and look they approach to do it.

look I think best to improve summoner it to set Job for lvl 70 to lvl 80 and lvl 90 to lvl 100. my suggest create this job plan for you

the Scholar bring life and summoner bring damage.

of all skills that haven't been in a summoner the dreadwrym trance and demi-bahamut are wasn't that isn't in any of ff games. the desire to attempt a new approach to a job is noble one but stray to far for said job often make harder to said job to compete with jobs that basic on similar ff job types

Don't forget the lesson you learn for 1.0 Yoshi P.

**TelosNox** · 08-21-2017 10:58 PM

Why not just get rid of the permanent egis at all?

If I think of FF7 and FF9 then all summons were just single actions with a fixed attack. SMN could use a similar mechanic like SAM does. So it loads some stacks and depending on which stacks are loaded a specific summon will be triggered on activation. The egi appears, does it's stuff and then disappears.
No need to manage a pet, no need to heal a pet, no need to resummon the egi on death and the option to have an extendable variety of egi based stuff.

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