Thread: SMN 4.06 Changes

I more knowledge about ff game then you do why do you notice that I keep refer to old games. yes me shut up because I know to much about old games that you don't want people see and you don't me to talk because I prefer see summoner hold to core machinac

I play ff8 and ff 9 ff1

the summoner is pet job it will away be

Originally Posted by AlphaSonic

Are summons in the games you listed like the pets of this game? Answer the question.

(Spoiler: If you answer Yes, it's wrong.)

Are FFXIV's BLM, RDM, BRD, SCH, blah blah blah exactly the same as in other versions? The point this is FFXIV and SMN is a pet job in this version of the series. To remove pet would be to piss on everyone who actually likes playing Summoners in FFXIV. We even got a big flashy summons that needs a little work

P.S. To answer your question; FFX, FFXI, FFXII, and FFXIII treated Summons as pet like.

Originally Posted by Dyvid

To remove pet would be to piss on everyone who actually likes playing Summoners in FFXIV.

current situation with pets: not many player left who can be pissed after all by any chance... if pets stay make them and the interaction worth it else kill them... Titan is already dead since 4.0, Ruda and Ifrit have just one purpose: their specific buff skill, everything else is just like an extra DoT : /

Originally Posted by Neela

current situation with pets: not many player left who can be pissed after all by any chance... if pets stay make them and the interaction worth it else kill them... Titan is already dead since 4.0, Ruda and Ifrit have just one purpose: their specific buff skill, everything else is just like an extra DoT : /

I think if it was announce the remove of the summon you already anger a lot of people in-game

I one those people, my mage main is a summoner as her main job. what I tried suggest is an attempt to salvage and repair the damage on summoner so that people will play them again. I bet if summoner were remain pet job and job was improve the people who like them that would be happy but if there was threat to remove carbruncle as pet and the others it anger a lot players and we see a lot players say that they can't and shouldn't do it. right now there no threat on SE mind to remove them. This SE chance Salvage and rebuild hope for the summoner aswell future pet jobs to come

my mage main is Jaina Proudpaw

Originally Posted by Neela

current situation with pets: not many player left who can be pissed after all by any chance... if pets stay make them and the interaction worth it else kill them... Titan is already dead since 4.0, Ruda and Ifrit have just one purpose: their specific buff skill, everything else is just like an extra DoT : /

Titan was always died outside of solo play and the Garuda/Ifrit change was a blessing because it gives SMN a choice on what pet to use rather than just Garuda to extent DoTs, though now some people just use her to improve their own dps. People didn't leave because of pets but rather three points; 4.0 nerfs and skill reshuffle, Meta of being the weakest, and busted mechanics of the job overall. As for their damage, dps is dps regardless of source.

But this thread and many many like it show why devs can't ever get a clear message on SMN improvements; most people posted don't want to play FFXIV's SMN but would rather tear it down and rebuild it in their own image. I've seen these exact same idea posted in 2013; make pets bigger, summons should just be nuke spells, DoTs don't make since, yada yada yada. The devs try to please everyone and end up just pissing off the SMN community they have.

Now I'm all for people having idea on fixing FFXIV's SMN current problems but focus on that rather than burn it down and start over because it's not going to happen no matter how much you want it. SE might even take your idea and tack it on the current model in the worst possible way making the job play even more clunky than it already is.

Originally Posted by Dyvid

Are FFXIV's BLM, RDM, BRD, SCH, blah blah blah exactly the same as in other versions? The point this is FFXIV and SMN is a pet job in this version of the series. To remove pet would be to piss on everyone who actually likes playing Summoners in FFXIV. We even got a big flashy summons that needs a little work

P.S. To answer your question; FFX, FFXI, FFXII, and FFXIII treated Summons as pet like.

Counterargument:

Pets in FFXIV are just glorified DoTs with 1 clunky ability that makes them desirable:
Garuda -> Contagion
Ifrit -> Radiant Shield
Titan -> LOL

I think it would be easier to fulfill the SMN fantasy by getting rid of the pets, making SMN a DoT class (like it was in 2.x and 3.x), replace some Aetherflow abilities with Summonings and give them more abilities with summonings. Then balance around it.

Ex:
Fester -> Summon Ifrit (Same effect as Fester, better animation)
Bane -> Summon Garuda (Same effect as Bane, better animation)