Thread: SMN 4.06 Changes

Originally Posted by Zetsumei_Tsunarashi

Sustain is probably the last thing the dev team should be concerned with as far as smn fixes go, let's get that straight right now. The way people talk in this forum makes it sound like sustain is the only thing wrong.

Sustain is not the only thing wrong but the lack of sustain makes pets USELESS (particularly Titan) outside a group where an actual healer *might* heal it...physick on SMN might as well not even exist.

Originally Posted by Ayerinn

Sustain is not the only thing wrong but the lack of sustain makes pets USELESS (particularly Titan) outside a group where an actual healer *might* heal it...physick on SMN might as well not even exist.

Honestly, anyone that says we don't need it, should go and try and Titan Tank Shisui, with a full set of 260 gear, then come back and say its not needed still. Specifically the Ruby Princess, with mechanics that force you into a situation to use no abilities for a set period of time. At that point, Titan is nearly one shotted (sub 1000hp) thanks to a follow up AoE and if healers don't react fast, after the old man debuff wears off, hello dps queues once more.Sustain would actually be of one benefit for this specific scenario due to the wind up time of the charm mechanic that you interact with a chest to avoid, which gives you time to cast a sustain before the chest interaction and charm going off, cause you cannot do anything action wise in the old man state, so the near room wide aoe after the charm can not be as much of a 'oh shit hang in there titan' reaction when it goes out.

Also, before anyone asks why I even suggest this or why did I do such a thing. Cause Party Finder is a dick with full premades for dungeon grinding, esp if the tank drops.

Everything else issue wise sticks out like a sore thumb, and has been mentioned repeatedly, but I have yet to see anyone give a legitimate counter argument as to why we honestly don't need sustain, aside from the preemptive assumption that it's only used just for soloing and healers can just AoE it in a group or raid, which this would mean trusting your healer to you know, do their job given the situation played out.

Just going to end off on my rant here and say that SE needs to say if we are a pet class or are slated to be a glorified BLM with summons. This wishy washy going back and forth and fucking up our identity is causing more headaches than there needs to be and if we are supposed to be having our pets and will be continuing to rely on them, then they need to give us a means of self utility to help keep them alive. All pet classes have at least one form of pet aspected heal, this is a staple to the pet classes, which extends as far back to the days of EQ (Necro, Mage) and DAoC (Cabalist).

TL;DR for the 'unsustainers': Titan tank shisui in full i260, and come back and say you still believe we don't need sustain. Oh, and have healer and melee dps in full 310 to get the added effect of keeping up with enmity.

Originally Posted by Senliten

TL;DR for the 'unsustainers': Titan tank shisui in full i260, and come back and say you still believe we don't need sustain. Oh, and have healer and melee dps in full 310 to get the added effect of keeping up with enmity.

I am sorry but What is this nonsense about ? Why are we need to tank dungeon ? It is tank job to tank the boss why you need Titan to tank it ? Is SMN tank now ?

Titan is used in solo content to tank things. Typically in job quests, hunts, and in undersized content. It fulfills that job well, but requires sustain to actually do that safely. The Titan job quest in particular has been hit hard by the loss of Sustain.

I play summoner a lot in ranked feast pvp. That summon blocks my view and those maps are pretty tight. Bahamut is nice and all but it's huge for feast pvp. I don't play summoner much in pve though so not sure it it works out there.