Thread: SMN 4.06 Changes

Originally Posted by Remedi

edit: unrelated but before I wasn't saying that SMN weren't using Ruin3 outside DWT before, I was saying that probably the devs didn't intend for that gamestyle to exist to begin with and probably they are not supporting it either, ofc if SMN have extra MP they are free to burn it trough ruin 3 I'm doing it myself

Wouldn't be the first time they 'expected' players to do something one way, but found them being more creative and doing it another, both from a progression standpoint and playstyle standpoint. Raids and Ninja stick out like a sore thumb in regards to this, and if Summoner ends up on that list to, then they need to fire their QA department or stop expecting players to play a MASSIVE MULTIPLAYER ONLINE RPG in a way they want the classes to be played. If they really want it to be that way then they need to just turn XIV into a single player .hack esque type game. Cause they sure as hell keep underestimating what players can do, so much that their devs have mentioned and stated things we were able to come up with were either 'unthought of or impossible (ex. lvl 60 Nin rotation compared to what the devs used)'. Yet sure as hell common sense would tell you otherwise.

Originally Posted by Senliten

Wouldn't be the first time they 'expected' players to do something one way, but found them being more creative and doing it another, both from a progression standpoint and playstyle standpoint. Raids and Ninja stick out like a sore thumb in regards to this, and if Summoner ends up on that list to, then they need to fire their QA department or stop expecting players to play a MASSIVE MULTIPLAYER ONLINE RPG in a way they want the classes to be played. If they really want it to be that way then they need to just turn XIV into a single player .hack esque type game. Cause they sure as hell keep underestimating what players can do, so much that their devs have mentioned and stated things we were able to come up with were either 'unthought of or impossible (ex. lvl 60 Nin rotation compared to what the devs used)'. Yet sure as hell common sense would tell you otherwise.

They do expect us to find new way on how to play the jobs, and yoshida often says so in the LL, consider that the ruin 3 things went on for the entirity of HW they might have accepted it for a time, but as some said they wanted to ease the skillcap on all jobs so that's probably why they are trying to make that playstyle less enticing.

Originally Posted by Len

One of the things that truly disgusts me is how Aetherflow was nerfed from 20% MP restored to 10% MP restored not even allowing us to summon our pet after reviving!

Are we all unanimous that Aetherflow should either be reverted to 20%, or the MP cost for summoning pets be reduced?

I just hope there are more QoL changes happening for SMN between now and 4.1, but it's unlikely.

Just revert it back - further drifting away from where the ability was, purely to try and fix what shouldn't have been unfixed in the first place, is unnecessary. Stick to the simple, no need to wait until October-ish for 4.1, revert it and have done with it.

The DoT potency is close back to 2.x and 3.x to where it's 110 potency from bio1/2 & miasma 1, 120 w/ miasma 2. It's a ok change, but I was hoping to see a ruin 4 proc change. I guess i'll have to wait to see what they'll do in 4.1.

"Wait for 4.1", fine, we don't really have a choice, and i get that actual mechanics change won't come mid-patch, but current raid tier is pretty much dead as summoner, numbers on fflogs prove that (which i know SE doesn't care, and therefore, don't give a flying f* to summoners now). SMN can't do mistakes or the punishment is absurd compared to any other dps, and on raid progression there will be mistakes, either by the smn or other party members. I'm not joking, even in PF i was told people are LOCKING summoner OUT of runs for savage. It's getting ridiculous.

Yeah its true got kicked many times.. its kinda annoying

I also got messages like: "change to BLM or leave and blacklist"

who cares about sustain? Give back contagion for petes sake. Sustain is only important for solo really AoE heals seem to do a good job of keeping pets up.

Originally Posted by NewSinz

Give back contagion for petes sake.

lul what? We have 30seconds duration on dots and a resetting tri disaster. Why would we still need the old contagion?

I said this in another thread, the old contagion allowed us to spam more ruins before needing to recast dots..

Now we spam more ruins yet there are complaints.

I'm happy with the change, its not enough, but i will take what i can get. SMN 4lyf

Originally Posted by prophecy4seen

I'm happy with the change, its not enough, but i will take what i can get. SMN 4lyf

"When my dragons are grown, we will take back what was stolen from me and destroy those who wronged me! We will lay waste to armies and burn cities to the ground!"

Originally Posted by Officer_Cat

Yeah its true got kicked many times.. its kinda annoying

I also got messages like: "change to BLM or leave and blacklist"

Wow harsh that the extra mile for a dick to black list over what job you play.