Thread: Absolutely no balance changes for PvP in patch 4.06?

Originally Posted by Korihu

try playing healer yourself, or watch some high level PvP healer streams to see how it works from their point of view. It's not all frosting. We shouldn't get nerfed because the worst of the worst players can't figure out their 9 buttons. People being 'eventually able to KO for sure' is already what they did this expansion to PvP compared to the old PvP.

Oh my bad then, I was just going off the comment I was replying to that painted a picture of healers being very strong, that's theoretically the method I would use to tweak things if adjustments were warranted. I didn't try 4v4 yet myself on any role, only large-scale pvp where 2 or more healers are often working together and the end results always show things skewed to certain jobs, so in an ideal world I'd have a completely separate balance for non-rated non-competitive modes too if the system allowed such a split.

Originally Posted by Jonnycbad

XIV PvP will never touch the complexity of XI's Ballista. Seeing SHM/NINs hexastriking dps to death and curing themselves to full...ahh good times.

ballista has too much strategy involved for this braindead community

Originally Posted by Korihu

Also hell naw, healers already have it very hard. Good teams destroy healers, DPS easily outweighs us now that our healing output is weaker than before and mana is a very limited resource, we have less tools to survive than before, AND DPS is ridiculously high and CC comes out every 15 seconds. Try playing a healer against a good team and say that they're overpowered and takes forever to KO someone.

This is my main takeaway so far. Damage is rough (but you can kind of manage), but you can't get more than 4 casts in a row off against coordinated CC. I don't know how they thought this would be better for Feast healing..

Originally Posted by Rufalus

Oh my bad then, I was just going off the comment I was replying to that painted a picture of healers being very strong, that's theoretically the method I would use to tweak things if adjustments were warranted. I didn't try 4v4 yet myself on any role, only large-scale pvp where 2 or more healers are often working together and the end results always show things skewed to certain jobs, so in an ideal world I'd have a completely separate balance for non-rated non-competitive modes too if the system allowed such a split.

Ah alright, sorry if I sounded a bit vicious on the healing nerf thing. There's so many people who never played the role who are new to the mode saying this and that is OP so I kinda lashed out a bit as a healer. ><

Look at it this way; if the team has a bad tank that doesn't TBN the teammate that is currently being focused but the healer is on top of their game then the team still has a chance to win. If a dps is still learning or is not damaging players as much as the other dps on their team but the tank & healer is able to put on some damage they can still win. If a healer is not that good or learning the other three members can't do anything to make up for the skill gap in the role of heal and they have very little chance of winning the match. While a straight nerf to healer is not a good idea, some changes to all the roles are needed to put more of the deciding factor into the team as a whole instead of being too much on one person knowing how to heal. Allow tanks for a off-heal CD they can put, dps have a heal oh shit button, while adjusting the healer so that the other team members will need to use them perhaps.

Originally Posted by Cynric

you have any idea how hard it is to burst anyone down being healed , by yourself with no one interrupting and no coordination between DPS

So you want to be able to kill the healer with no cc and no coordination between dps? The battlesystem is not responsible for the players that maybe poorly execute it.
It is the start of the season, everybody is unranked, matchmaking will be terrible the next days and create these imbalances you are experiencing.