MCH buffs!

[Aletin]

Agreed, value wise you still get more from a bard which is why the scale is the way it is atm. unless MCH dps is high enough to off set the support it lacks which again is really hard to do without touching bard because of how rng there dps can be.

BRD utility (crit increase and battle voice) has an overall rDPS increase of about 2% while MCH (Hypercharge) is about 1.15%
Taking an average rDPS of 28 000-30 000. The difference is 238-255DPS.
As of pre-4.06 MCH was more or less equal to BRD in personal DPS.
This means that given these buffs if MCH can do 200-300 more DPS than BRD, it becomes the better choice. However we need a couple weeks for that to even out and see what new MCH is capable of.

[photometrik]

After messing around with MCH a little more, I've kinda found a rotation that works for me. Is it optimal? Probably not, but it works for me and I'll make little changes here and there to bring it in line with what everyone else is doing as I get more comfortable with the rotation and specific fight mechanics. At this point, the only thing that I'm hoping they do is increase the potency of Flamethrower, revert Split Shot, Slug Shot, Clean Shot, and Hot Shot back to their old heat generation (10 instead of 5), and fix Gauss Barrel so that it doesn't fall off after overheating (I honestly believe this to be completely arbitrary and unnecessary). I'd also like to see more support to be equivalent to BRD, or just more DPS to put us slightly above BRD in raw damage. One or the other. Other than that, I'm pretty comfortable with the way things are right now.

[RLofOBFL]

Stop over selling the skill its an ok skill for sure, but your raid is NOT and ill say it again NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT going to miss it....

No one is gonna miss Natures Minne or Troubadour either....And all of those skills make BRD's defense useless too. What's your point? MCH's defensive utility is better than BRD's. That's ALL I'm saying.

Offensively, MCH just needs an equivalent to the 100% uptime 2% crit and battle voice. Maybe the Turret could give a 2% DH up while its out and MCH could have a 10% crit up for 20 seconds on a 2 min CD to even it out.

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

You know, I was gonna say MCH doesn't need a passive crit or DH buff, but I completely forgot the turrets! If the turrets had a passive like that, that could work, though it'd conflict a little with detonating them.

[QQKachoo]

Now that it is confirmed we need to OH in WF. I don't think there is any way for me to optimally play MCH in it's current state. My latency is a bit too high to fit 6 GCDs into that window. Looks like I will be playing bard for a bit until my latency improves or that dps window becomes a bit more forgiving.

[Lastelli]

Now that it is confirmed we need to OH in WF. I don't think there is any way for me to optimally play MCH in it's current state. My latency is a bit too high to fit 6 GCDs into that window. Looks like I will be playing bard for a bit until my latency improves or that dps window becomes a bit more forgiving.

I believe you can still play it quite well if you trade some crit/dh/det for a little more sks. I can do oh wf just fine with 556 sks which is extremely low (my ping to the game server is around 28ms), so if your latency doesn't let you do it you can use a little more sks, just enough to make it.
Anyway, high latency is a problem for any job. You'll lose some dps even on jobs like mnk if your ping is very high.

[Velhart]

Now that it is confirmed we need to OH in WF. I don't think there is any way for me to optimally play MCH in it's current state. My latency is a bit too high to fit 6 GCDs into that window. Looks like I will be playing bard for a bit until my latency improves or that dps window becomes a bit more forgiving.

I would highly recommend jumping on a VPN if you don't use one already. I don't have high ping/latency but I still use one anyways to maximize my performance. Highly recommend it if you play end game seriously.

[MauvaisOeil]

I would highly recommend jumping on a VPN if you don't use one already. I don't have high ping/latency but I still use one anyways to maximize my performance. Highly recommend it if you play end game seriously.

Are there even anymore free VPN theses days ?

[AmandaLashaquoa]

I would highly recommend jumping on a VPN if you don't use one already. I don't have high ping/latency but I still use one anyways to maximize my performance. Highly recommend it if you play end game seriously.

I play on 295ms (pretty crazy I know) and nope, swapping server doesn't help either.
I tried a VPN but I can't tell the difference and I also don't know for sure how I am supposed to config it anyway, but I can't even tell the difference, however, watching a MCH with 20ms~ and MY MCH, the difference is pretty noticeable as I can HARDLY fit 5GCD in one OH and I absolutely CANNOT fit 6GCD not even with preemptive Rapid Fire, sadly MCH is pretty ping dependent now to be optimal (as any other class that requires double weaving really, but MCH is over the counter now due to the short windows).
How much it helps for you? Cause IDK if I just did it wrong but it doesn't even seem to do anything for me, does it helps you fit 6GCD in a single OH? xP I don't think we're supposed to go indepth with vpn in here openly but I hate how it is impossible to send a private message to the users.

[Raiden_Ki]

I dont know if it was mentioned already but were these buffs enough to bring MCH back on the board?