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Thread: MCH buffs!

  1. #101
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    Quote Originally Posted by RLofOBFL View Post
    BRD is still stronger, especially due to the rng nature. You won't see MCH pulling 5K....ever. BRD is basically as strong as MCH except it has RNG that makes it far stronger, plus it will scale even better with crit stat weights. MCH needs more buffing or BRD needs some nerf to its rng and damage.
    5k is already broken in Alte Rolte.
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  2. #102
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    Gotta say these MCH changes still feel like not enough, sure it's better now, but it's still really weak considering how little else it brings to the table, the amount of preparation, timing and stress that goes into a wildfire to get 15k damage is just sad compared to a SAM pulling off a 20k oGCD followed by an 18k Iaijutsu that they could do blindfolded.

    I'm fine with the rotation now, wildfire and overheat sync quite well making it fairly obvious how the job is meant to be played, cooldown could use an adjustment to make it worth using, but other than that I think MCH really just needs some number tuning, increased potencies or make wildfire 50% of damage dealt during its duration, heck even just making turret damage effect wildfire would be a step in the right direction so we could hypercharge 1 wildfire then overdrive the next one.
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  3. #103
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cabalabob View Post
    Gotta say these MCH changes still feel like not enough, sure it's better now, but it's still really weak considering how little else it brings to the table, the amount of preparation, timing and stress that goes into a wildfire to get 15k damage is just sad compared to a SAM pulling off a 20k oGCD followed by an 18k Iaijutsu that they could do blindfolded.
    What if you think it like this: Wildfire compiles 25% of damage dealt for 10sec. 15k times 4 is 60k. So you just did 75k total in 10sec period :P
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    There is video once mch do 5.3k dps in v1s if anybody interested.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjSM4_vWwss
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  5. #105
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    Quote Originally Posted by Petori View Post
    5k is already broken in Alte Rolte.
    Ya I just saw. Seems I spoke too soon. That's a step in the right direction but....6 gcd over heat is not something I can do with my ping. Guess it's back to my 3.x issues with MCH all over again X.X

    Quote Originally Posted by Petori View Post
    What if you think it like this: Wildfire compiles 25% of damage dealt for 10sec. 15k times 4 is 60k. So you just did 75k total in 10sec period :P
    To be fair....MCH was hitting 30K WFs in 3.5 with 15% echo from Creator Savage.
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    Last edited by RLofOBFL; 08-09-2017 at 08:56 PM.

  6. #106
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sunako View Post
    There is video once mch do 5.3k dps in v1s if anybody interested.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjSM4_vWwss
    >iLVl331 and probably BiS.
    Yeah, at some point everyone will do 5k+ , its all about item level, my biggest issue with MCH is the current rotation, its boring and its utilities are shit.
    I'm pretty friggin sure that a 330ilvl brd could push much more DPS while also helping not only mitigate dmg but enhancing it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AmandaLashaquoa View Post
    >iLVl331 and probably BiS.
    Yeah, at some point everyone will do 5k+ , its all about item level, my biggest issue with MCH is the current rotation, its boring and its utilities are shit.
    I'm pretty friggin sure that a 330ilvl brd could push much more DPS while also helping not only mitigate dmg but enhancing it.
    Pretty sure Dismantle is pretty damn amazing right now.
    Especially for Neo Exdeath.
    Whether it beats Bard, I can't say for sure, but it should be close if it doesn't.

    (You can compare that parse to Miyuri's, her bard's 328 and the difference shouldn't be huge off 3 ilvs when both are using the 345 weapon).
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  8. #108
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    So I played around with MCH on dummies and on OS1-4 last night. I will say it isn't as doom and gloom as I made it out to be in my previous post. I was fairly quickly able to get the rotation down and I loved seeing significantly higher Wildfire's than before the patch. My DPS certainly has improved. Better than BRD's? Can't say, but I know I am doing more DPS than I was before.

    Having actual purpose for Flamethrower is nice and overheat lines up surprisingly well with my Wildfire's. I think my concerns lie in Cooldown being significantly underused compared to patches before and it is just annoying and tedious having to put the GB on every time. It can be easy to forget especially when dealing with mechanics. It seems entirely pointless this function. Why can't we just get rid of GB and have the benefits of it and heat gauge be a permanent thing on MCH? It would make the flow of the job better from doing this alone and people still don't like that ugly add on to their gun even if I can't see it, others can.

    Dismantle at 60sec is nice. I am able to put it on more raid busters than I was able to before. Quite interesting how reducing it to 60sec really helped out.

    I still find the job clunky feeling and still needs some work on it, but this is at least in the right direction. I am still just baffled how SE could mess this job up so much and still not understand why people are upset with it.
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  9. #109
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    I couldnt down SSS V4 Savage pre 4.06. I would fail with 7% left at i320. Today I downed it with 3 seconds left BUT with the addition of 2 new i330 accs and now at i321. Take that for whats its worth as I doubt the increase in dex from two i320s accs to two i330s accs alone could shave off 10 seconds off my time (I never use food or pots). I felt a moderate DPS increase with 4.06. Im content for now.
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    MCH is fine now. It just take a lot of skill. If you can't do it, choose something else. Also...west coast represent, 0 packet loss and sick keybinds, I can press everything like it's nothing. Thanks!!
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