Thread: 4.06 patch notes up

Originally Posted by Shurrikhan

tl;dr: There is absolutely no remaining restriction to their ability to balance all Arcanist skills separately for Scholar and Summoner.

I didn't mean all traits. SCH can't reach its full potential because it's barred from Corruption Mastery II. If you recall they gave them Miasma back but it wouldn't have been necessary if SMN had split to begin with. Banes potency nerf happened because SMN and SCH shared it. Yet you want to trait everything and I'm saying you might as well just remake the job. Apparently I can't get the benefit of the doubt and have to explain that I know the difference between INT and MIND.

Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

So... what? Summoner mains are left twisting in the winds for two years because the devs didn't prioritize splitting it away from Arcanist? If that is the case, just delete Summoner or Scholar. It's absurd we'll have to put up with a subpar job for the whole of an expansion because the devs don't want Scholar to overtake the other healers again.

SMN mains should be posting ideas for a revamp. It's that or pray for 4.1.

Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

So... what? Summoner mains are left twisting in the winds for two years because the devs didn't prioritize splitting it away from Arcanist? If that is the case, just delete Summoner or Scholar. It's absurd we'll have to put up with a subpar job for the whole of an expansion because the devs don't want Scholar to overtake the other healers again.

It's what happened to bards and astrologians in HW. Not exactly unprecedented.

Originally Posted by Jhett_Magnum

I didn't mean all traits. SCH can't reach its full potential because it's barred from Corruption Mastery II. If you recall they gave them Miasma back but it wouldn't have been necessary if SMN had split to begin with. Banes potency nerf happened because SMN and SCH shared it. Yet you want to trait everything and I'm saying you might as well just remake the job. Apparently I can't get the benefit of the doubt and have to explain that I know the difference between INT and MIND.

Bane was nerfed most likely because Scholar was getting it, not because Summoner was getting it. That means that Miasma II would still be very much necessary. To begin with, Scholars needed a reusable AoE anyway, and Bane does NOT fit that bill. Astrologian have Gravity while White Mage have Holy and to a lesser extent Aero III (it's basic 50 potency attack still can be used for extra damage even when the DoT's are already on the enemy).

Offensive aspects from Arcanist were nerfed because people complained about Scholars outperforming other healers especially in DPS, among others. And for Scholars, almost everything DPS-related comes from Arcanist. Because someone decided to make a healer job evolve from a DPS job...

I'm done with Summoner (after playing with it since 2.0).

The actual smn is a mess, so many flaws and incomplete systems (like egi-glamours), no real gameplay identidy, nerfs and changes because it shares the same class as Scholar...

I'll be waiting a revamp as they did with Bard. That is sad because i love Summoner, in every FF game (in FFXIV too)