Thread: 4.06 patch notes up

Yoshida said about smn:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txgjAiw8Rew
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Wauw just open the next thread and directly more proof why parsing is useless except for epeen stroking. Keep that stuff off the official forum and back to where it belongs, pretty please.

What is going on? Silly parse people cant see their numbers during maintenance? It is a grey area people, keep that stuff to yourself or at least away from here / public chat in-game.

Anywayyyyy, nice patch ... expected more for SMN as well, but let's see. It's just a small patch. VERY curious about the infrastructure part as well.

Originally Posted by Nabian

seems like they buffed the shit out of drg.

It's not a buff it's a qol. You gonna lose from 40-80 potency not doing right position. Please read.

Originally Posted by Coatl

Source: (...)

Excuse me, but what is the point of looking for that one specific instance where Summoner is better than normally?! Fights have different mechanics to them. Fights heavy in short-range AoE will lower melee DPS without affecting ranged DPS, for example. Similarly donut-shaped AoE's will do the reverse. Then there is the amount of dodging that affects cast times etc. That's why looking for specific fights at specific percentiles is just pointless.

What matters is the top and bottom, as in, the "I can't suck any more than this, so this is the minimum you'll get from me" and "I'm nigh perfect and this is the peak of my abilities" results, across the varied bosses that are relevant.
And that's this and this.

Originally Posted by Coatl

SMN complaints have never been about DMG, but more about its lack of fluidity and how playing it feels clunky. Similar to DRG complaints.

I'm pretty sure that the summoner complaints were about all sorts of things. It lacking fluidity and feeling clunky is a problem in how enjoyable it is as a class, but that have zero to do with raiding. Even the least enjoyable class with the worst possible fluidity would still be heavily used if it was simply a powerhouse. Damage is on the other end of the spectrum. That and utility is all that matters in raiding. A class that excels at these things will be heavily used, but that won't mean it will be popular outside of raids if it is not enjoyable.

So yes, people DID complain about damage AND the fact that the class is no enjoyable to play both. That's because it is a "DPS" with minimal utility. It should show greater numbers than utility-DPS like Ninja or Red Mage, because it doesn't offer much beyond in normal run (and no, Resurrection itself is something useful, but ideally it should never be needed).

Originally Posted by Coatl

Source: https://www.fflogs.com/statistics/17#boss=46
Another source with more data with more figures: https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...notes/dlbeths/

SMN complaints have never been about DMG, but more about its lack of fluidity and how playing it feels clunky. Similar to DRG complaints.

Your picture shows there is 54 summoners and 777 red mages. It is not very accurate if there is 14x more red mages than summoners.

Originally Posted by Yeol

At the moment, SMN is doing same DPs as BRD and MCH, with DoTs buff they should be doing same as NIN and RDM.

SMN average dps on 90th percentiles is 4,038.
NIN and RDM average dps on 90th percentiles is 4,147 and 4,167.
Image referance.

The difference is small, but only end game players care about it enough to call SMN shit and everyone else is following them blindly without understanding why.

Now if people are not happy with SMN playstyle that is a different story. But damage wise, it should be balanced now.

Thanks for this. Some people don't understand the increase SMN has been given. Instead they say is a joke.

Cheers.