Garuda Story Mode Question

[Anonymoose]

Ramuh is implied to be sylphs' interpretation of Rhalgr (as the old man of the woods)

This opens an old wound, lol. Like, it does seem clear that Ramuh is a skewed, aged Rhalgr adoption. That much is easy; look at The Spire.

But it bothers me so much that a Crystal of Light was somehow a primal's to give away. I wonder if the "Old Man of the Wood" was actually a former Warrior of Light that gave his Crystal of Light to the Sylphs, it being of their element and all that, and this Archon simply got caught up in the Rhalgr-incarnate mythology. I can buy that Ramuh knows so much because the Sylphs believe him to be intelligent, and so he is, but a Crystal of Light? A sliver of Hydaelyn's power gifted to Her chosen? A primal's to give away?

[CaesarCV]

It is a little unclear how the crystals work exactly. I'm not sure there really is a direct answer to it either, and the game has really glossed over them ever since ARR.

One of my favorite Primal origin ideas put forth by the Lore book (and other places) is actually Shiva's. We don't know that much about the original Shiva, although she presumably was an ordinary woman. The primal that Ysayle summons is explicitly quite different from the original one, to the point that Hraesvelgr considers it an insult. There are a few interesting things that have to do with this though. One is that Hraesvelgr seems to have control over light and ice magic, so it's possible the ice connection was conflated from that. The much more interesting thing to note are the similarities between the Heretic's version of Shiva and the goddess Halone. Namely in how Halone is an ice aspected goddess of war, and how Shiva is an ice aspected warrior figure skilled with blades and other weapons. It's quite possible that Ysayle (and the other heretics) version of Shiva was heavily colored by the Halonic doctrine, which is fascinating.

[Leaf_Dragoon]

I'm pretty sure that Hraesvelgr uses Light and Ice not Water and Ice, as I don't remember him casting any water spells during his boss fight.

[CaesarCV]

I'm pretty sure that Hraesvelgr uses Light and Ice not Water and Ice, as I don't remember him casting any water spells during his boss fight.

That's what I get for writing that on my phone. Thanks. I'll edit the post.

[Delily]

Actually I think the proto-Ixal were called the Iksalion based on this picture:

Whoa. Am I mistaken, then, in drawing the conclusion that the beast tribes are the descendants of construct created by Allag for various purposes?

[Anonymoose]

Whoa. Am I mistaken, then, in drawing the conclusion that the beast tribes are the descendants of construct created by Allag for various purposes?

We can be certain that Allag at least created the Ixal, and we can be certain that Allag didn't create them all, as there are bits of flavor-text scattered around implying that Allag experimented with already extant beast tribes to create new chimeras. (Unless they created those, too, and then came back for them later...? lol)

[CaesarCV]

Yeah, the Allagans were still explicitly at war with beast tribes during their day, most notably the beast tribes in Meracydia. It's unlikely that they were the progenitors of all the beast tribes, especially with the consideration that enough mastery of aetherochemistry to be able to create Chimeras was only possible near the end of the Empire. Amusingly some Eorzean scholars believe that the Biloko line of enemies (the tree people) are actually the Meracydian tribe that summoned Sephirot in ages past. But they're not even considered fully sapient anymore.

[PArcher]

Yeah, the Allagans were still explicitly at war with beast tribes during their day, most notably the beast tribes in Meracydia. It's unlikely that they were the progenitors of all the beast tribes, especially with the consideration that enough mastery of aetherochemistry to be able to create Chimeras was only possible near the end of the Empire. Amusingly some Eorzean scholars believe that the Biloko line of enemies (the tree people) are actually the Meracydian tribe that summoned Sephirot in ages past. But they're not even considered fully sapient anymore.

Where'd that picture go showing the similarities between Ifrit and Zurvan? That was fairly interesting, even if Zurvan's followers and the Amal'jaa don't look much alike (though are both reptilian...)

New environment and time can do a lot to change the evolution of things, after all...

[Delily]

We can be certain that Allag at least created the Ixal, and we can be certain that Allag didn't create them all, as there are bits of flavor-text scattered around implying that Allag experimented with already extant beast tribes to create new chimeras. (Unless they created those, too, and then came back for them later...? lol)

Thanks! Interesting, I need to go back and read those books.

[Remedi]

This opens an old wound, lol. Like, it does seem clear that Ramuh is a skewed, aged Rhalgr adoption. That much is easy; look at The Spire.

But it bothers me so much that a Crystal of Light was somehow a primal's to give away. I wonder if the "Old Man of the Wood" was actually a former Warrior of Light that gave his Crystal of Light to the Sylphs, it being of their element and all that, and this Archon simply got caught up in the Rhalgr-incarnate mythology. I can buy that Ramuh knows so much because the Sylphs believe him to be intelligent, and so he is, but a Crystal of Light? A sliver of Hydaelyn's power gifted to Her chosen? A primal's to give away?

That always bothered me, when hraesvelgr told us that primals are essentially what we imagine given form it really irked me because of our past iteration with Garuda and Ramuh.
I think you might be onto something however with that wol (or echo gifted) theory, but I wonder, what actually happens to echo gifted ppl turned into primals? when they are desummoned to their will cease to exist? or the simple existence of tempered is an anchor for their beign to this world?