How does SE justify these ten min enrages, but doesnt let anyone know their dps

[Dzian]

It seems like anti-parsers are generally so afraid of toxicity that they act toxic themselves.

:thinking:

I'm overwhelmingly for an in-game parser. DPS need to be held accountable for being terrible as much as bad healers and tanks do, if not more.

As I've said before. I'm not against parsers. I even use them on occasion. What I am against is the way the general community uses them and the information they provide..

especially on things like fflogs where the only thing people look at is your dps..

Not so long ago discovered I was on there with a few parses. some ok some pretty bad, but I went on and hid them all. simply because of the way people interpret the data.

I got kicked out a susano ex about a minute after joining party because I only did 2.4k dps according to fflogs.. at the time I didn't even know I was on it at all. so went to look and sure enough 2.4k dps. dug a little deeper and I was dead just over 3 minutes of that fight one shot by assail. so 3 minutes of twiddling my thumbs waiting for a raise would justify my low dps. if the party leader had bothered to look that little bit further he might have realised my dps while I was alive was actually pretty high. high enough that I got hit by assail in the frist place and not a tank) and not just see only 2.4k and kick me.

theres a v1s parse where I did 2.9k dps as a samurai. who was dead almost 4 minutes when people did the thunder mechanic wrong and all stacked on me instead of spreading out to there pre assigned positions. that was a sloppy run in general. one of the healers kept dying so they were taking all the raises which is why I was down almost 4 minutes. cleared it with maybe half a second before the enrage aoes wiped us...

the problem is I don't really care for fflogs at all myself. so I don't parse regualarly or upload my own parses or any of that stuff. so what ends up on there is regarding me is a somewhat innacurate sample.. i've cleared susano just over 40 times I think. and of them all 2 of them ended up on logs. it's not an accurate sample size or representation at all. yet plenty of people will treat it as gospel fact...

last night a friend got kicked from a susano party cos his dps was low and he died to much. yet rng was not kind to him and he was the one that kept getting encased in the rocks and his subsequent deaths and thus dps downtime were because maybe 2 people in the whole party were trying to break him out... even when he marked himself as "1" but the parser said low dps so kicked....

This is the reason why I tend to be anti parser. because Parsers themselves are great. the way the community looks at the data is the problem.

[bswpayton]

As I've said before. I'm not against parsers. I even use them on occasion. What I am against is the way the general community uses them and the information they provide..

especially on things like fflogs where the only thing people look at is your dps..

This I can agree with you on alot of times people end up wit floggs where they are just learning a fight just getting use to the content etc. My V1s clear my pali only did 1500 dps mainly because I was learning the fight, and because in pugs Im not gona lie, I use clemency more than hs. My healing on the same parse was almost 100k , Im really not a fan of floggs myself as it really gets people all crazy about job nerfs and stuff like that, the one thing someone that was anti parse mention, was that floggs is pretty much just players competing with each other in pve which is stupid to me but hey whatever.

But I agree with you on floggs I think its total trash and most of the time its done without your consistent, but people enjoy it hey whatever. But the fact remains that the level of blindness that someone who cant see their damage is just awful and if you have ran numbers before you feel that its just not as engaging. I just would like to know where i stand consistently and without having to ask someone all the time.

[AziraSyuren]

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It's not the fault of other people for caring- It's your fault that you don't care. Kicking you from a Susano party is more than a little petty, sure, because it's braindead-easy content that anyone with half a brain and attention span can clear on, but if your results are garbage, and you're afraid of being judged, it's up to you to fix them. Hiding your parses actually looks worse than having bad ones, and for good reason. Flush out the bad runs with good ones so people aren't wondering if you're worth their time.

FFlogs is a résumé. While it isn't the end-all-be-all for player skill, it, at the very least, shows how much someone cares. If you don't care, and I'm doing serious content (usually restricted to Savage), I don't want you in my party.

...I mean, to be clear, I won't kick someone just because of low DPS on fflogs, but it certainly gives me context to judge them for their mistakes.

Let your results speak for themselves. I know mine do.

[bswpayton]

It's not the fault of other people for caring- It's your fault that you

Again floggs is posted without ones knowledge , and stop actin like every time you go into an instance you are geting 1000 percent every single time. If you have cleared the content before and if you are preforming their in the moment is a better judge than floggs. Everything you just said is exactly why these anti parse people have a point. If the person you are commenting on has cleared a fight 40 times as they say and you focus on floggs then floggs is really an issue then. Fflogs is not like a resume because on my resume I actually put my work history on there myself and try my hardest to make it look presentable. Fflogs for the most part if your not uploading them yourselfs, all kinds of variables.

[akaneakki]

Again floggs is posted without ones knowledge

Ok, so someone posted your bad logs then 4 weeks later it's still the same result, whos fault is that?

[bswpayton]

Ok, so someone posted your bad logs then 4 weeks later it's still the same result, whos fault is that?

Well the very thread is stating that really nobody knows their dps, outside of pc users. I dont know how it effects others but on ps4 like Im not going all out tryin to do amazing stuff when I havent a clue whats going on anyway.

When I was on pc I always wanted to make sure my numbers where good, on ps4 I just want to clear the content. Call me bad I dont really care because Ive always hashed out my own path in the game as is, and do most things alone anyway. So If im in a pug group and Im tanking and Ive seen where healers let people die in certain situations like twin bolts, in laksimi ex when ur getting hit wit pull of light and have to get vril as well, or susanos tank cleave. Yea I am not really stressing my dps if Im on ps4 and cant even see it anyway. But again people that act like pug life and doing stuff in a static are one in the same are funny.

[akaneakki]

Well the very thread is stating that really nobody knows their dps, outside of pc users. I dont know how it effects others but on ps4 like Im not going all out tryin to do amazing stuff when I havent a clue whats going on anyway..

I'm not saying pugs or expect pugs to play great as a static, but you see.... the difference with your attitude and japanese is that japanese players comes prepared and know what to do. It doesn't matter if they are on ps4 or pc. I'm not going to call you bad, because I can't judge you when I never seen you play, however, you make it sound like you can slack just because you are on ps4 and then you say you can just slack off and make everyone else make up for it. Which is a very unfair attitude and selfish one at the same time.

[Rawrz]

Flush out the bad runs with good ones so people aren't wondering if you're worth their time.

FFlogs is a résumé.

As a PS4 player this is doing the content over and over again hoping that you did well and praying that some party member posts it. [For some content... My Susano and Lak logs are terrible and outdated. I have maybe 5 parses. I've gotten 40+ Clears on each and Clear over 4k each time at least but my logs are all 3.4 and 3.5k. Q.Q]

T-Minus 2 weeks until I have my computer. Then i won't be at that mercy.