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    Reynhart's Avatar
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    Reynhart Kristensen
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    Ragnarok
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    Dark Knight Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Verius_Nox View Post
    The flaw in that is that the real test of ones DPS abilities is being able to perform mechanics while also maintaining adequate DPS.
    You mean you need a parser to see your buffs drop ? Of the amount of time you stay out of range from the boss ? Or how many times you died to a failed mechanic ?
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    Miste's Avatar
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    Miste Vaer
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    Excalibur
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reynhart View Post
    You mean you need a parser to see your buffs drop ? Of the amount of time you stay out of range from the boss ? Or how many times you died to a failed mechanic ?
    He's saying that each DPS job's rotation may change when mechanics and movement are involved and sometimes a parser can help you determine when it is better to use certain buffs etc.

    DPS on a dummy is DPS on a dummy there are no mechanics or extra movement that you may have to alter your rotation around. Any DPS job against a striking dummy is just the exact rotation until it dies. This is really far from how it is in actual fights where you have to adjust to mechanics and movement.

    Sometimes the fight movement or mechanics makes it so the optimal best rotation is not possible so you may have to alter a rotation to suit your needs...so you try two different ways in a fight to make the movement or mechanic part easier for you to maintain your DPS, great, but in the end how do you know which of the two ways is better?? It's impossible without comparing data.

    I mean simply put it is nice to have something show with facts that you are getting better. It reaffirms that you are doing things correctly. You do a fight one way a couple of times and see the average and then maybe you think of a better way to handle the fight buff wise so you try something different and you have a way to see if that difference is better or not for you.

    This is how it helps people who use them and this is how they use them.
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    Verius_Nox's Avatar
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    Whispering Crow
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    Balmung
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    Black Mage Lv 83
    Quote Originally Posted by Reynhart View Post
    You mean you need a parser to see your buffs drop ? Of the amount of time you stay out of range from the boss ? Or how many times you died to a failed mechanic ?
    Eh?

    I'm saying standing still beating on a dummy isn't always indicative of one's real performance. Just because the player is performing the mechanic, doesn't mean they're competently maintaining uptime, and besides hitting an enrage or failing a DPS check, you don't know if they're playing well or not, otherwise. Even when a DPS check is failed or enrage is hit, you don't always know which member is falling behind the most because there's no quantitative data.
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    Purple Rain
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    Sophia
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    Arcanist Lv 32
    Quote Originally Posted by Verius_Nox View Post
    Just because the player is performing the mechanic, doesn't mean they're competently maintaining uptime, and besides hitting an enrage or failing a DPS check, you don't know if they're playing well or not, otherwise. Even when a DPS check is failed or enrage is hit, you don't always know which member is falling behind the most because there's no quantitative data.
    Exactly, it's a very different thing to perform your rotation while you have nothing else to think about, and to perform your rotation while you need to handle mechanics. In the latter, it's easy to use much less actions than optimal because of movement and simply having to pay attention to things. A player can be able to beat a dummy but still perform really badly in the actual fight. Not to mention that the rotation you're performing on a dummy will have to be adjusted for each fight for optimal DPS. A parser, combined with logs (and preferably also video material of own gameplay) helps to optimise one's rotation for a fight and cut down unnecessary caps in activity, DoT uptime etc.
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