Feedback as a returner to 4.0 with a new character

**Snow_Princess** · 08-09-2017 09:45 AM

Originally Posted by Zfz

[*]2.0 Relic base weapon: some are often out of stock on the market board. Thankfully it's easy to find a crafter willing to craft one on the fly. Might become a problem in later expansions.

They are not worth making due to the low demand. they hand crafters exp like candy so it is no surprise you had no problem finding one.

Originally Posted by Zfz

[*]2.0 Relic Animus books: should change FATE category to "any FATE within this sub-zone". Camping for a FATE is not fun. Don't see a rational reason for forcing specific FATE. Also WTF is with that FATE to the north-western passage of Camp Bronze Lake? It literally always fail within the minute without player intervention because of how overpowered the enemies are. Players have to camp right there for any hope of completing this one. BAD. Bad design.

This was always a problem, i am shocked they still are ignoring it. fates should not fail that fast. Yes you have to be right there camping the spawn or it fails. You are correct in calling it bad design

Rest: dead content is dead content, no one has a reason to do the CT line, most likely everyone has high queue, suspect it is the same for the VA line.

I am not sure what your trying to suggest for whm, I think lilies and the lv 70 ability can use improvements though.

For glam log:
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...space-increase

**Zfz** · 08-09-2017 01:29 PM

Originally Posted by Nhisso

Lmao at this. Especially the Japanese quest list. So much basement.

Not sure what basement is supposed to mean, but just to clarify, I'm a professional translator, working English-Chinese bi-directional. I learnt Japanese as a hobby. So whenever I play a game, I mostly try to enjoy it in its original language. My apologies if you found the Japanese screenshot offensive. Or if you found it funny, then good for you, I suppose? The point was the queue time, which most people playing this game should be able to read.

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I don't think the 2.0 Relic was a waste of time. After all, it's a game in which a lot of options are provided, and we get to choose what we want to do. I'm not leveling up this character to raid 4.0 Savage. It doesn't matter if I took another 6 months to get to level 70. As long as I'm having fun, I don't think it's time wasted.

I mean, we don't go to people and say, if you're not having fun my way then you're wasting your time. Right?

As for the CNJ/WHM suggestion, I'd really just like to see something changed about the Stone spam. Anything to spice it up. Something very simple, yet breaks from the monotonous one-spell spam from level 1 to level 60. Not suggesting that WHM be made more complex, just something that's not a single-spell spam.

Regarding dead content, I have the feeling that the devs don't like to have too much dead content, and that's why the relic questlines force people back into old dungeons. They've restrained from doing this to raids and alliances up to now, but I don't think it's as easy as "dead content is dead". If there's a way to revive them, I don't see why not.

Well, the original purpose of the thread has been fulfilled, thanks everyone for reading and chiming in. I'll revisit and respond to further suggestions and discussion every now and then, but I don't think I've got anything else to add as feedback to being a returner in 4.0.

Thank you all.

**Valinis** · 08-09-2017 01:32 PM

Old raid queues have nothing to do with being a DPS. They never pop on my server.

**KaplanHomahru** · 08-09-2017 02:13 PM

There is no point to work on the 2.xx relic now other than glamour. I'm sorry if some steps are more difficult now than they were back then, but other steps are much much easier. I would honestly not want them to waste development time changing old quests like that when there are better things they can be doing.

**Zfz** · 08-10-2017 02:02 AM

I grinded my PLD Zeta along with everybody throughout 2.x so I agree that the quest line is very easy now. (I actually also completed my WHM Zeta in 3.x.) The feedback, however, is applicable to current and any new content the devs are going to design.

Do not make players camp for a random spawn. Making the steps easier did not make camping for the FATEs more fun.

That is the point of the feedback for the 2.x Relic FATE item. Please understand that I am not demanding they put down what they're doing and "fix" this. Please understand that this feedback is not "you need to fix this 2.x content", but a "you should not be designing content this way" feedback.

Don't design a FATE that self-terminates within the minute. Don't design a quest that require players to camp a specific FATE. Put some more thought in designing quests that require crafted items (or put in remedies when the content becomes outdated and nobody wants to craft them anymore).

And the items list the exact content that led me to these "don'ts".

This is not a whine thread. This is a feedback thread. This is a thread that says "this is how I felt after playing content designed this way". This is not an evil plan to deprive you of their development resources.

**ilea** · 08-10-2017 02:31 AM

I think FATEs in general need an overhaul or a touching-up. The devs have said that they want to focus on new content and believe the playerbase expects the same. So I imagine the only way problems as seen in the Relic steps will only be addressed by a system-wide change.

One change they did make recently, I believe, is to have the strength of a newly-spawned FATE to scale with how many people are completing FATEs in the area. It used to be based on how many people finished it last time (I think). So that's one step in the right direction.

**Canadane** · 08-10-2017 02:34 AM

Originally Posted by Zfz

Not sure what basement is supposed to mean, but just to clarify, I'm a professional translator, working English-Chinese bi-directional. I learnt Japanese as a hobby. So whenever I play a game, I mostly try to enjoy it in its original language. My apologies if you found the Japanese screenshot offensive. Or if you found it funny, then good for you, I suppose? The point was the queue time, which most people playing this game should be able to read.

Hey I have no issue with what language you play this game in but a lot of the lore and dialogue is made in English first.
I generally use the JP audio for voiced cutscenes but English text for the puns and other nice lore tidbits.

You should read into MCKF's work on this game it's amazing what him and his crew had done!

**Nerfworthy** · 08-10-2017 11:37 PM

Originally Posted by KaplanHomahru

Why in Bahamut's good name would you waste time on the 2.xx relic now?

Because glamour is end game

**Lambdafish** · 08-11-2017 04:21 AM

Originally Posted by Zfz

I don't think the 2.0 Relic was a waste of time. After all, it's a game in which a lot of options are provided, and we get to choose what we want to do. I'm not leveling up this character to raid 4.0 Savage. It doesn't matter if I took another 6 months to get to level 70. As long as I'm having fun, I don't think it's time wasted.

I mean, we don't go to people and say, if you're not having fun my way then you're wasting your time. Right?

Just to clarify, there is a big difference between a waste of time for the player and a waste of time for the developers to look at. If you want to do relic because it's fun, go right ahead, but the content is outdated and useless in the current iteration of the game, and the developers will never go back and fix any issues that you have with it.

**Kayleta** · 08-11-2017 04:26 AM

Originally Posted by Nhisso

Lmao at this. Especially the Japanese quest list. So much basement.

What a daft person you must be.

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