Its time to remove job-based glamour restrictions.

[Iscah]

As a male AuRa Healer i can either look like a crossdresser or glamour non healer gear.
There are 1 or 2 Healer robes that don´t look awful on males, but thats it.

Personal taste is going to vary, but considering that male Auri "traditional dress" - as the lorebook describes the starter gear - involves a skirt and midriff-baring top... well, canonically they're not exactly adhering to (modern Western) masculine dress in the first place.

I realise it's different if you're dressing the character in clothes you want to wear, particularly if it's your primary character, but I do have a male Raen alt and I feel like he suits all the weird glamours that I wouldn't put on my other characters. But then again I'm approaching it as 'character design' and thinking "what would he wear?" (A: things that resemble the design of the starter gear) and not "what would I wear?"...


But I do find their unusual body proportions make a lot of gear fit them oddly because of how it's scaled rather than re-modeled for different characters. Wide collars end up a lot bigger and bulkier than they do on other races. Tight-fitting collars are better and lower necklines avoid the issue.


Though I don't really understand why it's an issue to have to glamour non-healer gear if it makes your character look good? You can still build sets that look like healer sets without necessarily using healer gear. Or combine a generic body piece with healer gear in the other slots for something that's still uniquely a healer costume.

If I can show off some examples I'd made with my Elezen alt... RDM with all caster/RDM gear except shirt; AST with only relic sleeves and all-class gear; WHM entirely with Lv1 glamour gear except the crown. In all cases I think it works as looking distinctly like that class, and (other than the WHM) relies on gear that is specific to that class, without being limited to only using that class-specific gear.

Bonus: my Au Ra as SMN using the Lv50 relic pants/skirt and Pagos shirt, which is maybe not so instantly summoner-ish but it's a bit like the Lv70 relic drapey-shirt-thing (aetherial tattoos and all) though without the stab-you-in-the-face pauldron.

Bonus bonus: stealth healer (for sneaking into imperial castrums), deliberately going against a normal "healer look" while still using healer-specific gear where possible. As well as the Ironworks scope, it uses the Makai healer gloves and boots. May upgrade to healer-specific pants if I can find some that look right.


I do also wonder if there's an issue of people wanting to stick to - or simply looking from the perspective of - "modern fashion" rather than the fantasy setting gear? Because that affects the sense of what is 'male clothing' a lot. eg. I recently got the Rabanastran mage's tunic, and when I tried it on my female character, I think she looks like she's wearing male clothing. That's my instant reaction looking at it. But I'm sure other people must say "it's femininine! it's like a dress!"

I feel odd dressing my characters in modern-looking costumes. (well, other than that stealth one for a joke, but still looks odd outside of running MSQ roulette.)


As much as the glamour restrictions are annoying, I think I do enjoy the challenge of working around them. Up until there's that one thing I really really want to equip, anyway....

[Laphael]

Personal taste is going to vary, but considering that male Auri "traditional dress" - as the lorebook describes the starter gear - involves a skirt and midriff-baring top... well, canonically they're not exactly adhering to (modern Western) masculine dress in the first place.

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As much as the glamour restrictions are annoying, I think I do enjoy the challenge of working around them. Up until there's that one thing I really really want to equip, anyway....

Yes, of course there are those options, my healer wears a cowboy-like outfit at the moment and thats possible.
But thats the reason i dont understand why the restrictions are still there, if i can equip many "non-healer-like" glamors anyways.
Tbh i just want to wear the pyros tank/dragoon set on all of my jobs in different colours XD.

Edit: spelling

[Iscah]

Yes, of course there are those options, my healer wears a cowboy-like outfit at the moment and thats possible.
But thats the reason i dont understand why the restrictions are still there, if i can equip many "non-healer-like" glamors anyways.

That's why I suspect it's more of a deep technical issue than the official answer of "job identity!" - obviously there's no good design reason why casters might be able to equip boots with gold decorations and healers can equip the exact same boots with silver decorations, but heavens forbid you ever try to wear the gold ones as a healer!

So, as I wrote before, I think it's likely that to keep the relic gear "safe", they may have to keep all glamours locked down to prevent it - and the gear does need to have designated classes that can equip it. The arbitrary restrictions on what else can be equipped are a side effect, not a deliberate rule - and possibly even exaggerated as they try to work around it and include some armoured pieces into the mage designs and non-armour for tanks, so people can access them if they want.


I also think there may be a cultural issue. From something I remember reading a while ago, I think it might be a big deal for them (in Japanese culture) to actually admit they won't be able to do this thing that everyone is requesting, so they give a polite non-answer and make it sound like they're not doing it rather than they can't.

Does anyone know if the Japanese fandom keeps requesting things like this after they've been told it's not happening?

[Rongway]

That's why I suspect it's more of a deep technical issue than the official answer of "job identity!" - obviously there's no good design reason why casters might be able to equip boots with gold decorations and healers can equip the exact same boots with silver decorations, but heavens forbid you ever try to wear the gold ones as a healer!

I struggle to think of how it could be at all a technical issue. If I had coded the current system as it functions today, the glamour validation check would involve, among other things, if item.EquipableBy.contains(currentJob). All that would be needed to allow all non-AF gear to be universally glamourable would be to change that one check to if (item.EquipableBy.size >= 2 or item.EquipableBy.contains(currentJob)).

In layperson's terms, this checks if the item is AF by checking how many jobs/classes can equip it. If it's exactly one, then the gear is AF, and it needs to check if current job matches. If it's equipable by more than one, it's not AF and glamourable by anybody. Of course, this only works so long as we have classes, since the defining feature for DRG AF and NIN AF currently is that they cannot be equipped by LNC and ROG respectively. Were we to eliminate classes, an AF flag would have to be added to all AF gear because you wouldn't be able to tell DRG general gear from DRG AF, or NIN general gear from NIN AF, just by looking at the list of equipable jobs. So in that case the check would be if (not item.IsAF or item.EquipableBy.Contains(currentJob)).

But it should really be as simple as this.

[DeepbloodEclipse]

As a male AuRa Healer i can either look like a crossdresser or glamour non healer gear.
There are 1 or 2 Healer robes that don´t look awful on males, but thats it.

I use the Gamblers Coatee when I play AST(get it? cause I'm gambling with your life XD), and Hakuko Dogi as scholar, which looks pretty cool, even tho I despise the far eastern aesthetic, I don't mind this one. I, just like you, feel like I'm in drag if I wear just about anything else.

[Alien_Gamer]

Maybe we do? Yoshi is a smart guy but there is a language and cultural barrier that needs to be overcome, sometimes you need to be specific to avoid misunderstandings.

[Raikai]

Totally agree. The limitations nowadays are so inconsistent... why have them anyway?

Perhaps the only limitation we should have are job specific glamours, since they are iconic job gear.

[Ssmiley_Bjakkzz]

Yup I only care about my 1 glam and want to stick entire playthrough with storyline and other activities because of rp persona ingame so I dont care about gil anyways or farming.

[MiniOmegaDragon]

For some stuff yes weapons no over all i am mixed on this

[Transient_Shadow]

Honestly as a healer I'm sick and tired of all of our gear always being saturated with white. I'm legitimately thinking of taking a break from healing for a while just so I can wear something decent glamour wise.

Most of the good / dyeable glam is locked behind ex content. I'm looking forward to the ranged dps contest winner but I swear if the healer version is overly saturated with white or the dye scheme dyes the darker bits and keeps the white like skala I'm going to be exceptionally disappointed.

(condensed this from a previous post I made since I missed this thread