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    Lore behind AF3 and job abilities

    I liked that the AF3/weapon/final ability are attached to Job quests now but I feel sort of bummed that there's no explanation for any of it. Even the AF2 had some information from Seika.

    It's not explained how we get our final ability either or what it really is. For example, why/how can Summoner finally summon Demi-Bahamut? What is Demi-Bahamut?
    I guess it'll all be explained in the next lore book but I wish there was a way to learn about it noooOOOooow (
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    I've only done DRK and SAM, so those two are the only ones I can comment on.

    DRK
    It's implied that Blackest Night is invoked using memories of Haurchefant and/or Ysayle, based on Myste's last line before disappearing and some other context in the quest line.


    SAM
    The technique you learn from the 70 quest, Guren, is probably an imitation of a technique you see Ugetsu using during the Battle at Bekko. Since you both trained under Musosai, it would make sense you'd be able to use the same ability.


    As for the AF gear and weapon... whoooo knows...? You just kind of get the chest with the items from nowhere, so I'm not gonna think about it too hard. (Still hoping they eventually let me upgrade and dye it. I might switch back to maining DRK if they do.)
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    Trpimir Ratyasch's Way Status (7.3 - End)
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    "There is no hope in stubbornly clinging to the past. It is our duty to face the future and march onward, not retreat inward." -Sovetsky Soyuz, Azur Lane: Snowrealm Peregrination

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cilia View Post
    I've only done DRK and SAM, so those two are the only ones I can comment on.

    SAM
    The technique you learn from the 70 quest, Guren, is probably an imitation of a technique you see Ugetsu using during the Battle at Bekko. Since you both trained under Musosai, it would make sense you'd be able to use the same ability.


    As for the AF gear and weapon... whoooo knows...? You just kind of get the chest with the items from nowhere, so I'm not gonna think about it too hard. (Still hoping they eventually let me upgrade and dye it. I might switch back to maining DRK if they do.)
    I wouldn't be too surprised if the SAM set used to be Ugetsu's, since Musosai wore the same robe in a different color. The katana is weird just because I think it's the same model that Hien uses.
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    RDM AF is the Crimson Duelist uniform so the NPC probably thought you're worthy enough to wear it.
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    Life of the Dragon implies you're tapping into Nidhoggs aether. BoTD imbued with Dravanian aether but we have never tapped into Nidhogg aether fully, despite being atuned to his eye from 30-69. Estinien gained the full gaze of Nidhoggs eye during the lv50 quest. It's assumed we gain his full gaze by using Dravanian power e.g. Mirage Dive.

    Dragon Gaze allows you to impart a bit of this power to enhance you and your ally.

    Nastrond is imbuing your Geirskogul (a release of concentrated Dravanian aether) with Nidhoggs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonnycbad View Post
    Life of the Dragon implies you're tapping into Nidhoggs aether. BoTD imbued with Dravanian aether but we have never tapped into Nidhogg aether fully, despite being atuned to his eye from 30-69. Estinien gained the full gaze of Nidhoggs eye during the lv50 quest. It's assumed we gain his full gaze by using Dravanian power e.g. Mirage Dive.

    Dragon Gaze allows you to impart a bit of this power to enhance you and your ally.

    Nastrond is imbuing your Geirskogul (a release of concentrated Dravanian aether) with Nidhoggs.
    Related to that, I can't help but note that there are 4 eyes that need to be looking at you to enter LotD as a DRG, and there are only 4 living First Brood currently. I'm sure that's not a coincidence. Makes me wonder if DRG will eventually gain something like "Gaze of the Father" where Middy bestows a sliver of his power upon you or something.

    As for WAR:

    Inner Release seems to be similar to the SAM Guren stuff Cilia mentioned earlier in that you don't specifically learn something, but the final battle has Curious Gorge and Dorgono connect themselves, via their love, to destroy a great enemy, in the process fully unleashing their innermost feelings for one another. So if Unchained is taking the leash off the beast, allowing for full damage while under Defiance, then Inner Release is letting the beast out to run wild. All your feelings and emotions laid bare and poured into destroying whoever threatens you and yours.
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    I'm wondering what Foul could be. It looks to be an Umbral aligned spell but it grants/requires neither UI/AF. I was thinking it could have something to do with releasing Dark aether that's built up from maintaining enochian from the Gem of Shatotto since a black crystalline structure appears during the animation. But the gem is way too big to be the soulstone so idk :/
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    Quote Originally Posted by waifugenerator View Post
    I'm wondering what Foul could be. It looks to be an Umbral aligned spell but it grants/requires neither UI/AF. I was thinking it could have something to do with releasing Dark aether that's built up from maintaining enochian from the Gem of Shatotto since a black crystalline structure appears during the animation. But the gem is way too big to be the soulstone so idk :/
    Foul seems to be something we picked up by being near the creator of black magic during the 60-70 questline. As to what it is the requirement for casting foul is to have a polyglot which we get from building of aether from enochian. Now the English definition of a Polyglot is someone who learns multiple languages as an avocation, so by learning Foul I assume its our character learning a new type of magic, akin to us learning a new language. Now as to the what type of magic Foul is I like to think it's us opening a temporary tear from Eorzea into the void, using the built up aether from enochian, to corrupt or foul the aether of living beings in the surrounding area. This is just a guess though, Foul could be something else entirely, but learning Void magic, or another type of magic altogether, seems to make sense as our characters become Polyglots of magic.

    As for our AF gear its probably a gift from Shatatto herself, but knowing her feelings about large gaudy hats, the headpiece we receive is kind of ironic. Or perhaps the headpiece was made that way to make fun of her a bit, who knows.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Soul_Mythrim View Post
    Foul seems to be something we picked up by being near the creator of black magic during the 60-70 questline. As to what it is the requirement for casting foul is to have a polyglot which we get from building of aether from enochian. Now the English definition of a Polyglot is someone who learns multiple languages as an avocation, so by learning Foul I assume its our character learning a new type of magic, akin to us learning a new language. Now as to the what type of magic Foul is I like to think it's us opening a temporary tear from Eorzea into the void, using the built up aether from enochian, to corrupt or foul the aether of living beings in the surrounding area. This is just a guess though, Foul could be something else entirely, but learning Void magic, or another type of magic altogether, seems to make sense as our characters become Polyglots of magic.

    As for our AF gear its probably a gift from Shatatto herself, but knowing her feelings about large gaudy hats, the headpiece we receive is kind of ironic. Or perhaps the headpiece was made that way to make fun of her a bit, who knows.
    Enochian is a supposedly angelic language that came from John Dee, who was a medium in the 1500s. The BLM learning how to more properly channel the Void over Enochian's duration, resulting in them "learning the language" so to speak, would fit that idea.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enochian
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    Quote Originally Posted by waifugenerator View Post
    For example, why/how can Summoner finally summon Demi-Bahamut? What is Demi-Bahamut?
    One of the main themes of the SMN arc was extending the limitations of arcane geometries utilized in evoking avatars by utilizing the high-speed computations of a machine, thus allowing the summoning of more "authentic" egi. I had assumed that Demi-Bahamut was the Warrior of Light's first crack at trying out a calculator; though I'm not sure how they overcame the aetherial limitation. Perhaps somewhere between LV58 and LV70 our life force's reserves were increased (Do we blame the advanced blessing of Light? Or just that we have more MP? lol).

    The AF3 origins can be difficult to pin down, but the SMN one seems easy enough; Sari was the last great summoner of Allag, so the gear is from as high of a summoner as you could get from as late in the Empire as we've seen.

    In the SCH scenario we actually find a set of gear from a SCH that infiltrated Amdapor; it was sealed inside of a mana idol, implying that this too was very late in the era, as Amdapor's golems were intricately carved and ornate until they didn't have the time to do it, anymore.

    Did we ... steal their clothes? Or did we just go home and custom order a set based on what we saw? lol
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