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    Quote Originally Posted by AlphaDragoon View Post
    For me? Yes, yes it is. No sure about other folks in here.

    I don't mind the MP drain = more DPS thing at all. I just feel that Monks should be able to kick things by default. XD
    Monks should be able to kick. Considering this game has Monk as a job branching from PGL, a class which does not involve kicks, it makes sense to make the addition of kicks a buff. If they simply made a cosmetic change to MNK AA to have kicks as well, you'd just be removing this DPS buff.

    Is that what people want. To remove a buff?
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    Quote Originally Posted by NoctisUmbra View Post
    Monks should be able to kick. Considering this game has Monk as a job branching from PGL, a class which does not involve kicks, it makes sense to make the addition of kicks a buff. If they simply made a cosmetic change to MNK AA to have kicks as well, you'd just be removing this DPS buff.

    Is that what people want. To remove a buff?
    The buff is the fact that it's an elemental kick though. They could add AA kick to Monk and still keep the elemental kicks as a buff.

    I guess it could be nice, but personally I don't see it as that big of a deal. Hopefully they'll do it for those who want it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Betelgeuzah View Post
    The buff is the fact that it's an elemental kick though. They could add AA kick to Monk and still keep the elemental kicks as a buff.

    I guess it could be nice, but personally I don't see it as that big of a deal. Hopefully they'll do it for those who want it.
    The kick buff has nothing to do with elements. I honestly expect one of 2 scenarios:
    • The AA will become a punch and a kick, rather than 2 punches. The kicks will hit harder than punches.
    • The AA will become 2 punches and a kick, with the kicks simply serving as a 3rd hit in each AA of equal power to the punches. Simply an aesthetic overlay to what is really happening - PGL is getting an extra hit per AA.


    Either way, the MP drain is simply the cost governing the buff. Plain and simple. People trying to make sense of it beyond that is entirely immersion-based, whether they admit it or not. Now if someone makes an argument against the MP cost of kicks that is something other than "omg MP for kicks makes no sense!"... I'm all ears.
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    Either way, the MP drain is simply the cost governing the buff. Plain and simple. People trying to make sense of it beyond that is entirely immersion-based, whether they admit it or not. Now if someone makes an argument against the MP cost of kicks that is something other than "omg MP for kicks makes no sense!"... I'm all ears.
    We were discussing my worries yesterday...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Meleena View Post
    We were discussing my worries yesterday...
    I know. I'm referring to the posts that are seemingly complaining about kicks costing MP aesthetically.
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    I dont care, I'll figure out how to manage whatever bare bones basic mechanic they decide to use. I just want to kick stuff IN THE FACE!
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    Quote Originally Posted by NoctisUmbra View Post
    Monks should be able to kick. Considering this game has Monk as a job branching from PGL, a class which does not involve kicks, it makes sense to make the addition of kicks a buff. If they simply made a cosmetic change to MNK AA to have kicks as well, you'd just be removing this DPS buff.

    Is that what people want. To remove a buff?
    So let me make sure I got your argument correct: you think that just because it's a kick and Pugilists only punch it should automatically be a buff?

    Monks use martial arts. Including kicks, typically. That should be default. Once again, understand that I'm NOT saying having the MP drain for more AA damage is a bad idea. I like that idea. That's cool.

    I'm saying that visually it shouldn't be a kick that does it. Kicks should be included in AA as soon as you become a Monk. Yes, purely because of the visual effect. Make the MP drain for more AA damage something else, like "Blows of Fury" or something that indicates that you're gonna be doing more AA damage. But kicks should be in AA from jump street, IMO, not as a third AA hit, just as a cool visual thing. Monks kick.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlphaDragoon View Post
    So let me make sure I got your argument correct: you think that just because it's a kick and Pugilists only punch it should automatically be a buff?

    Monks use martial arts. Including kicks, typically. That should be default. Once again, understand that I'm NOT saying having the MP drain for more AA damage is a bad idea. I like that idea. That's cool.

    I'm saying that visually it shouldn't be a kick that does it. Kicks should be included in AA as soon as you become a Monk. Yes, purely because of the visual effect. Make the MP drain for more AA damage something else, like "Blows of Fury" or something that indicates that you're gonna be doing more AA damage. But kicks should be in AA from jump street, IMO, not as a third AA hit, just as a cool visual thing. Monks kick.
    Exactly. Arguing aesthetics here.
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    Monks should have normal kicks with their auto attack animation and mp consuming kicks with flashy effects that blind everyone in the general vicinity. A really small scale version of a Chuck Norris roundhouse, perhaps. Also, monks need elbow and knee strikes. Modernise it please.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Musaid View Post
    Monks should have normal kicks with their auto attack animation and mp consuming kicks with flashy effects that blind everyone in the general vicinity. A really small scale version of a Chuck Norris roundhouse, perhaps. Also, monks need elbow and knee strikes. Modernise it please.
    Let's have them all shave their heads while we're at it.
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