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  1. #91
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    Quote Originally Posted by ErryK View Post
    She's also largely irrelevant to the topic at hand.
    No, it's entirely relevant.

    I understand a race wanting to be relevant and treated fairly and equally.

    But to >ATTACK< the representation of the most popular race in the game and to try and erase their exposure just reeks of jealousy and only makes me disappointed in the Roegadyn players.

    I DON'T want to bring politics into this, but it's literally akin to the extremist African-American people attacking Caucasians simply to get back at them over the decades and even centuries of years that they were abused.

    Also much like radical feminists that simply want to attack and kick men down because men have been doing it for CENTURIES to them and the women of history.

    We can't change the g'damn past, but we sure as hell can rally support for the future.
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    Quote Originally Posted by otarolgam View Post
    No, it's entirely relevant.

    I understand a race wanting to be relevant and treated fairly and equally.

    But to >ATTACK< the representation of the most popular race in the game and to try and erase their exposure just reeks of jealousy and only makes me disappointed in the Roegadyn players.

    I DON'T want to bring politics into this, but it's literally akin to the extremist African-American people attacking Caucasians simply to get back at them over the decades and even centuries of years that they were abused.

    Also much like radical feminists that simply want to attack and kick men down because men have been doing it for CENTURIES to them and the women of history.

    We can't change the g'damn past, but we sure as hell can rally support for the future.
    I'm gonna have to ask you to stop please, I'd prefer for this thread to not get derailed and closed.

    Nobody is "Attacking" Miqo'tes
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    Last edited by Medicine; 08-06-2017 at 11:07 PM.

  3. #93
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    Quote Originally Posted by Medicine View Post
    I'm gonna have to ask you to stop please, I'd prefer for this thread to not get derailed and closed.

    Nobody is "Attacking" Miqo'tes
    You're celebrating an erasure of a significant Miqo'te character.
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    Kinda off-topic but everytime I see the event artworks I'm here like "why are they drawing those nice bodies but not allowing us to have our characters look so sexy in-game ?". They always draw artworks showcasing different races with nicely big boobs/butts and beautiful thighs, almost like a Blade & Soul character would look like, but we're absolutely unable to do the same with the game's character creation. It's almost false advertising at this point. I'd really like them to upgrade the character creation to at least give us a butt slider and widen the range of the booby slider a little bit. I like curvy girls but I'm forced to play as a flat one whatever the race. Even female highlanders lack butt (boobs are fine on them), and FemRoe got very beautiful faces but their bodies are just muscular, not really curvy except for the bust. If they're afraid of making female characters too sexy, why do they keep drawing hot girls all over the place on their event artworks ?

    Back on topic, I'm all for more FemRoe on artworks. I think that they look really cool even if I don't play as one. I just can't stand playing tall characters just like I can't stand playing tiny characters.
    Quote Originally Posted by Reinha View Post
    This "cat" lady in the art has a femroe's or highlander's body with a bigger backside so I guess it kind of represents more than one race at once.
    And look at her face. That's definitely not a miqo'te face. Looks like a midlander.
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  5. #95
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    Quote Originally Posted by otarolgam View Post
    You're celebrating an erasure of a significant Miqo'te character.
    I'm not celebrating anything, it was a joke.
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    When it comes to representation, it's not about attacking one particular group. It's about trying to include everyone.

    Think of it as a pie. Right now, catgirls have the largest slice of pie, while roegadyn women have the tiniest sliver.

    In order to make it fair, we'd have to give roegadyn women a larger slice, but that in turn makes the catgirls' slice smaller.

    When the group that has had the largest slice all the time suddenly discovers that their slice is getting smaller, they become resentful. They need to understand that it's not an attack, but rather an attempt to include others.

    Why is representation important (especially in real life)?

    Because it is a sign of a progressive society, one that paints a truer picture of the people who consist of it, rather than an unrealistic and uneven ideal of someone's imagining. And that's the reality we live in today. Yes, while catgirls make up an overwhelming majority of the population, it doesn't mean everyone else is non-existent.

    Toxicity from the extremists (of both sides) shouldn't be tolerated or condoned. Toxicity only serves to further divide us.

    That being said, we shouldn't allow the antics of extremists discredit actual, valid issues. Nor should we let our dislike of them sway us so easily as to blind us from recognizing and understanding these issues.

    EDIT: I'm really talking more about real life, but this thread's topic shares parallels to them. Just wanted to give my two cents.
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    Last edited by Hunky; 08-06-2017 at 11:56 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hunky View Post
    When it comes to representation, it's not about attacking one particular group. It's about trying to include everyone.

    Think of it as a pie. Right now, catgirls have the largest slice of pie, while roegadyn women have the tiniest sliver.

    In order to make it fair, we'd have to give roegadyn women a larger slice, but that in turn makes the catgirls' slice smaller.
    As it stands Miqo'tes currenly have about 80% of the pie where as the bigger races have about... 10%? Would be really nice to make it more even.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hunky View Post
    In order to make it fair, we'd have to give roegadyn women a larger slice, but that in turn makes the catgirls' slice smaller.
    Catgirls need the larger slice of pie. Just look at how skinny they are and how... "healthy" Roegaines are.
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  9. #99
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark-Saviour View Post
    Catgirls need the larger slice of pie. Just look at how skinny they are and how... "healthy" Roegaines are.
    Their tiny and frail they don't eat much! Us Highlanders and Roes are starving to death!! XD
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    There are literally zero man cats in the main story. They are only background characters.
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