My first bad experience with another player. :o

[Mirateski]

Time to bring up ~Another MMO~, but I feel it's relevant, actually.

I was playing GW2 back when it was like, a couple of months before the first expac was released, and I got to the Final Dungeon, basically the equivalant of Castrum in Heavensward because of the way GW2 did dungeons (aka, weirdly). People in Orr, the area nearby, would shout for hours and wait in queue for a literal age for a party that never happened because people only ran the "post completion" dungeon options instead (because, for some reason, you only ran the story version once, then all the rewards were locked in the HM variant).

The final dungeon just simply. Would not queue. Without friends. Period. The response of the GW2 team?

They made it a single player instance.

Miracles.

[Skivvy]

Of course you won't, because that would require answering some hard questions that you probably don't have any good answers for. Because in the end you're trying to make these two (for you) completely voluntary dungeon runs be entirely about you, instead of the new players who they were primarily intended for. And your sole answer for spoiling their experience is because you want XP and tokens you can get in plenty of other places, without spoiling anyone's enjoyment.

Typical modern player mentality.

I would absolutely love for the MSQ roulette to be removed just to spite people like yourself. This thread is always a blast whenever it comes up. What were some of these hard questions you wanted to ask?

Time to bring up ~Another MMO~, but I feel it's relevant, actually.

I was playing GW2 back when it was like, a couple of months before the first expac was released, and I got to the Final Dungeon, basically the equivalant of Castrum in Heavensward because of the way GW2 did dungeons (aka, weirdly). People in Orr, the area nearby, would shout for hours and wait in queue for a literal age for a party that never happened because people only ran the "post completion" dungeon options instead (because, for some reason, you only ran the story version once, then all the rewards were locked in the HM variant).

The final dungeon just simply. Would not queue. Without friends. Period. The response of the GW2 team?

They made it a single player instance.

Miracles.

And that would be amazing! However, GW2 seems to be miles ahead when it comes to QoL things. Can't see this being implemented in XIV, but here's to hoping.

[LalaRu]

The roulette is for players THAT CLEARED IT, to be rewarded for doing an otherwise useless content, so that others can CLEAR IT.

As long as you get a reward, don't be a douche to new players that looks at cutscenes.

[Skivvy]

As long as you get a reward, don't be a douche to new players that looks at cutscenes.

Most people aren't douches to sprouts, I think all is well

[Avatre]

Most people aren't douches to sprouts, I think all is well

Only when they start it and don't act like a sponge to all the helpful information people are willing to imprint on them.

[Skivvy]

Only when they start it and don't act like a sponge to all the helpful information people are willing to imprint on them.

It goes both ways. Most sprouts are fine, most vets are fine. You get questionable behavior from both parties at times.

[ArcanoJones]

I mean isn't that the point of the big reward. Nearly a full level if its a leveling roulette. You are being paid a very nice reward for grouping with new players. But then some expect not to let the new players actually enjoy that experience.

[Avatre]

It goes both ways. Most sprouts are fine, most vets are fine. You get questionable behavior from both parties at times.

That is true. I tend not to talk in any party(DF or PF) unless it's something useful to say, but the amount of time people just snap at the tiniest remark, which most of the time is helpful(though could probably have been worded better) usually outweighs anything else.

[Skivvy]

I mean isn't that the point of the big reward. Nearly a full level if its a leveling roulette. You are being paid a very nice reward for grouping with new players. But then some expect not to let the new players actually enjoy that experience.

What I don't understand is why people expect the veteran players to be selfless. Yes, those joining the roulette get either a tomes or exp reward, but the sprouts get the reward of clearing their MSQ dungeons without having to wait hours. Seeing that the majority of the game is locked behind the MSQ, that's a pretty sweet reward for them too. Hardly anyone would queue for these dungeons if they were forced to watch the CSs.

On the plus side, SE has learned from this heinous mistake and no longer includes 30+ minutes of CSs into their dungeons.

[Claviusnex]

Nope it is premade trolling, they could of easily chose to unsync it, you never met the premade trolling that intentionally wipe things and such like that? so your guideline does not apply esp when you can abuse it. "3/4 want to jump around and wipe to the boss" so those 3 are in violation. (I seen this before and yes I did report it, you can't say majority rules when the majority is aimed to grief the minority.)

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3.2 Disruption. You may not in any way disrupt or interfere with the Game experience of other players, including the disruption of Square Enix's computers and servers.

I don't think the GM will do anything in this case as there is no griefing or disruption taking place. The premade was playing the MSQ via the prescribed game mechanisms. While they could run via a PF that is outside the MSQ game mechanic and the player won't receive any XP. In the end if the other players don't like the pace then it is on them to put up with it or leave.