My first bad experience with another player. :o

[Valandras]

It was definitely too much to make a topic over it.

I don't think what they said was a big deal.

[Sarteck]

Here are quite a few replies, and I'm not sure if the topic starter even reads it.

I've been checking back on it, and finding agreement in both sides of the argument.

It was not my first time, but I was not going to leave my friend alone, and since it had been a while since I had played through, I turned on cutscenes myself just to refresh myself on what he was seeing.

It was his first time, and as has been mentioned a few times, I agree that it's absurd to expect a new player not to watch the cutscenes, and downright rude to wait at the end of the dungeon just to call THEM rude.

My friend was pretty let down by it, which just made me even more ticked about it, but we went through Praetorium (unsynced) tonight and then started working on the Hildebrand quests, and he's all happy again, heh. (If anyone thinks standing by waiting on newbies to watch the cutscenes in those dungeons is too hard, try to do it with someone doing the Hildebrand Quests, lol.)

A very good piece of advice a user earlier in this thread gave was to make a Macro to tell the party at the beginning of dungeons, "Friend is new, we'll be watching cutscenes, sorry for any inconveniences, and any advice is welcome." I'm going to certainly put that to use for HW/SB Dungeons and Trials.

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For those of you telling me "just do it unsynced," I'll be completely honest--even with a Level 70 Monk, I was pretty low on health towards the end. If we had BOTH been new, what then? Would it still be okay to you? What about those people who do have that kind of situation, do you seriously think they are "being freakin rude?"

I'm sorry, but I just cannot see this as an acceptable attitude. If people want to speed run, then they should use the Party Finder. Upon checking, neither C.M. NOR Praetoria are found using anything but the "Main Scenario" Duty Roulette.

If people are doing Main Scenario Duty Roulette, they should expect that many players are actually watching the story. Period. Lo' and behold, those are the only dungeons that CAN be accessed from the M.S. Duty Roulette.

In other words, you've got two viable choices:
1) Don't use M.S. Duty Roulette. Form your own Party instead if you want to farm it.
2) Expect that some people will want to view cutscenes. I'm not saying to wait for them, but don't expect them to not watch the scenes.

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I would also like to note, the community in general has been VERY nice, and VERY helpful. It was just one bad apple, and in no way do I think they're representative of the community as a whole. Rather the opposite, they're the exception.

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Oh, and for those of you that I didn't directly respond to, I'm not ignoring you--I'm reading everyone's opinions, and thank you all for the input (even those who I disagree with or hold a different point of view).

[AngeloFlick]

A very good piece of advice a user earlier in this thread gave was to make a Macro to tell the party at the beginning of dungeons, "Friend is new, we'll be watching cutscenes, sorry for any inconveniences, and any advice is welcome." I'm going to certainly put that to use for HW/SB Dungeons and Trials.

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I'm sorry, but I just cannot see this as an acceptable attitude. If people want to speed run, then they should use the Party Finder. Upon checking, neither C.M. NOR Praetoria are found using anything but the "Main Scenario" Duty Roulette.

If people are doing Main Scenario Duty Roulette, they should expect that many players are actually watching the story. Period. Lo' and behold, those are the only dungeons that CAN be accessed from the M.S. Duty Roulette.

In other words, you've got two viable choices:
1) Don't use M.S. Duty Roulette. Form your own Party instead if you want to farm it.
2) Expect that some people will want to view cutscenes. I'm not saying to wait for them, but don't expect them to not watch the scenes.

First thing-
you don't have to worry about warning the party about cutscene watching after CM or Prae because Squeenix never made that mistake again. You get a tiny intro cutscene for a new duty and a tiny intro cutscene for ending bosses and the rest are done either before you queue or after the duty is complete.

Secondly-
There is NO reason to "farm" these duties in party finder. Tomestone rewards and the huge EXP bonuses are only granted for doing it in the MSQ duty roulette. Speed running or no speed running, there is ZERO benefit for a veteran to running those duties in the party finder. Sucks for newbies but it's the way SE has set things up because no one, me included, would even touch that roulette with a 10 ft pole if it didn't have those rewards attached to it. Even with rewards and no cutscenes my husband practically has to twist my arm to get me to queue for it when we're leveling alt jobs, that's how sick I am of those duties. If I gotta wait for cutscenes I'm never touching it again.

Now what that guy did at the end of your CM run was uncalled for. When I run newbies can choose to watch cutscenes while we melt the dungeon or they can skip and see the fights. Either way doesn't matter to me because even synced the difficulty is trivial so we don't need the full group to clear. Sounds like the healer guy was just salty that he actually had to heal people since your friend wasn't there to split dmg as the OT.

[LalaRu]

What is amazing, is that you had to deal with a douche only after two months. That is an achievement by itself.

[Dualgunner]

See this is why I took my pet noob through castrum and prae unsynched and let her watch all the cutscenes.

[Dualgunner]

Either it has rewards people want and will run it for, and thus run it quickly, or it doesn't and the content dies gating people behind Castrum unless they pay a cool $25. That's what this debate will always boil down to, every time it's brought up.

[Snow_Princess]

Sorry, but no. New players take precedence because they're queuing into the roulette their first time and providing you with a bonus. One or two less people wouldn't even be noticeable. The OP wasn'texpecting everyone to wait around for them. They simply wanted to watch the cut scenes in the moment, like many of us did.

Oh trust me, I like bonuses, and I assume you are simply taking the story context and that is fine. But if this is a general statement, like we should wait for new people, sorry but that bonus is not worth 45 mins, nor do I need poetics to begin with. If I was forced to make a decision after joining the DF, stay there for 45 min + or leave, i'd take the penalty and do my crafters or w/e I need to do. WT stickers is also not worth it as well, I get plenty while doing what I planned on doing anyway (like leveling roulette) If I wanted farm for poetics/ stickers in an effective matter, I got primal pfs I can look for. If I am not busy, I have no issues with helping people for the sake of doing so, and in that situation I simply wouldn't care what happens.

I do think some posts are missing the story context and just giving general statements on the issue itself. The quote given at the END of the DF (some people spoke about kicking, can't kick in this situation)

next time... especially as a tank.... don't freaking view cutscenes when you can view all of them after
i usually view cutscenes too but you're being really rude by doing nothing half the dungeon

Now usually I speak about this during the run, but not everyone has good social/typing skills/ ps4 issues/ whatever. This is a bit strong for my taste but you have to consider not everyone is a social butterfly. The general message should still be considered and that is think about the people you are holding up when you can go to the inn and watch the CS. However I still do not agree to such wording when the group was ok with you 2 staying behind.

I do run into this drama often and I do my best to simmer the flames for both sides. First I may say something like " this is typical speed for this run, you need to understand people done this place many times for exp bonuses or tomes and generally skip the cs and want to finish as fast as possible. At the same time, we can go on ahead and do the fights, you can't expect people wait for you while you can watch the CS later. You can watch the CS at the inn or the housing furnishings should you own an apartment/house/fc house" I had some vote kicks passed for people being too harsh on the newcomers despite me trying to settle things down. I had a vote kick pass yesterday because someone was rushing the elevators (even with the newcomers hitting CS, many did not make them.) The second time doing it I called out the person's name and ask them why they where doing that. No reply > no issue in kicking. There was also a few rare times where the newcommer was being overboard and may of kicked them, I do not remember though since it has been a while and those situations are rare. (Those are along the lines of demanding people wait for them, don't think so)

If people are doing Main Scenario Duty Roulette, they should expect that many players are actually watching the story. Period. Lo' and behold, those are the only dungeons that CAN be accessed from the M.S. Duty Roulette.

Nope, I find people that play this game for story are very few, I seen newcomers skip CS on their own without a word, though I have no proof if they are simply alts doing that. I do expect new people and I do my best to accommodate them and explain the situation to them, but I will not hold up 4-6 people for 45 mins on their behalf.

[Spiroglyph]

@Starteck, I'm just going to post something to throw some different perspective in here; it's a personal experience and not the norm, but it's still something that did happen a few months back:

>Queue into MSQ roulette as DPS
>Got in: one new player (tank) with three buddies, one of whom is a tank and another is a healer
>Tank buddy demands we stop everything to accommodate the new player - refuses to pull, healer buddy tags along with them and refuses to heal us
>We try to go anyway, but the second healer was poorly geared being new themselves (not to the instance but still having the leaf), and there's only so much we could do, so we spent 20 minutes doing everything at the pace of NOT ACTUALLY MOVING... not even reaching the second boss in those 20 minutes (it was C. Meri btw)
>Someone inevitably snaps, insults get thrown back and forth, tank buddy jests and because, as you pointed out "we queued for a roulette and should have known new people can join, therefore we are obligated to go by their pace"
>Another someone snaps and leaves, I left second, no idea what happened next but i'd wagger everyone except the people in that premade left as well.

Now, keep in mind - most of us there having to wait were DPS jobs, and we got in after having to wait well over half an hour, only to be met with this kind of nonsense. That was a premade of FOUR PEOPLE - this happened in HW, they damn well could have just unsynced it with little issue. What did they choose to do? Queue normally to let someone enjoy the dungeon "as it was meat to be", resulting in nothing but wasted time for all people involved.

This, of course, is clearly not the same as what happened in your case - but what if you'd brought a third person with you? A tank or healer, perhaps? Then yes, you'd effectively be wasting everyone's time - only ONE of you was new, but instead of trying to find a third person to unsync with you you could choose to do as that team did, and all but hold the rest of team hostage unless they'd be willing to eat up the thirty minute penalty.

That one healer in your team, while rude AT THE END, still let you do the run slowly as you wished. Could have been nicer, could have been worse too. As could YOU have done something else. That PF argument you keep throwing around, it goes both ways.

It's not that I don't think new players don't have the right to watch cutscenes - honestly, I do. In most cases missing up to three people is barely noticeable... unless, as the healer said, the person(s) lagging behind are healers or tanks.

End note: It's an MMO :/ there's not a single game with social aspects to it that DOESN'T see this type of behavior at one point or another. That type of comment? A pinch of salt thrown at the end? Probably just a little venting, as you did here. People can have bad days, and the only thing that healer soured was the end of your run.
Sometimes people are just not in the mood to be accommodating.

[Snow_Princess]

Now, keep in mind - most of us there having to wait were DPS jobs, and we got in after having to wait well over half an hour, only to be met with this kind of nonsense. That was a premade of FOUR PEOPLE - this happened in HW, they damn well could have just unsynced it with little issue. What did they choose to do? Queue normally to let someone enjoy the dungeon "as it was meat to be", resulting in nothing but wasted time for all people involved.

I'd make damn sure to report them, I do report premade abuse:
http://support.na.square-enix.com/ru...2&tag=users_en
3.2 Disruption. You may not in any way disrupt or interfere with the Game experience of other players, including the disruption of Square Enix's computers and servers.

[Spiroglyph]

I'd make damn sure to report them, I do report premade abuse:
http://support.na.square-enix.com/ru...2&tag=users_en
3.2 Disruption. You may not in any way disrupt or interfere with the Game experience of other players, including the disruption of Square Enix's computers and servers.

Heck I had no idea that was reportable :/ tysm for the heads up!