Between the levels of 40-50 Machinist doesn't get a single skill

[Chiraisu]

Why is that? Why is it that, despite that prior to Stormblood, jobs obtained a job skill at 40, 45 and 50, Machinist no longer has one? They don't even have anything between it that mimics a "class" skill, between these levels. (Rouse comes to mind)

Machinist has a total of 23 Actions.


This is not counting cross-role actions, it is also not counting their "remove barrel" and "Turret Retrieval" actions, which.. are largely there to just be there. They don't offer anything more than QoL. Lastly, it does not take into account the upgraded heated shots, since they are largely the same button.

This is one of the lowest action counts in the game!

(The only other lower job with lower actions is WHM at 22, largely due to how Stone/Aero are constantly upgraded into a new version instead of providing a new button)

It's ranged physical DPS cousin, Bard, has 26 actions. (not counting role)
Hell, Ninja has an effective 29 usable actions (if you discount mudras, but count all of the ninjutsu castable from them)

If you ask me, a support DPS should ideally have more actions than some. It just feels to me like they require more buttons to address and alleviate various situations, or provided a larger array of buffs/debuffs.

For them to get "nothing" for an entire ten levels? It's silly, it's insane. I know content was balanced around 70 for SB, I get that. But there's no excuse or merit to taking what they would have gotten at 45, erasing it, and putting absolutely nothing back in it's place. (nevermind the fact that a large percentile of other jobs get a second action between the levels of 40 and 50 that isn't the de-facto 45 job quest skill.)

[koroko220]

Yeah i don't like this either. On any job. The jobs pre-70 feel bare bones compared to what they used to be. I get it's easier to just balance at 70 for endgame, ok. But I feel that below 70, which is a big portion of the game, especially for new people, it shouldn't be bare and unbalanced.

[RiceisNice]

The leveling progression in this game is atrocious, but I think MCH definitely has the worst of it. Just take a look at getting gauss barrel at level 52 and see what that adds to the job...

[jstamos]

Hell, Ninja has an effective 29 usable actions (if you discount mudras, but count all of the ninjutsu castable from them)

That is literally the opposite of how you should be counting Ninja actions, since we're talking about button presses here.

[Chiraisu]

That is literally the opposite of how you should be counting Ninja actions, since we're talking about button presses here.

No. We are talking about unique individual actions. I discounted QoL actions because it would be really stupid to balance action count based off them.

[RichardButte]

The leveling progression in this game is atrocious, but I think MCH definitely has the worst of it. Just take a look at getting gauss barrel at level 52 and see what that adds to the job...

This.

And to answer a rhetorical question, it gives you the ability to overheat but no means of actually controlling your heat whatsoever...

[Fannah]

Why would you need to control your heat before level 64? (64 is the level when you get the main bonus for being from 50 to 95).
You will gain 10% for 10sec once overheating and that's all. You will then lose those 5% from Gauss Barell for 10sec. I don't see the problem. Heat management has no real purpose until 62 (when you are able to use your heat to use Cooldown, which is like a free Slug Shot, and a full ability to spam it during overheat).

[Chiraisu]

Why would you need to control your heat before level 64? (64 is the level when you get the main bonus for being from 50 to 95).
You will gain 10% for 10sec once overheating and that's all. You will then lose those 5% from Gauss Barell for 10sec. I don't see the problem. Heat management has no real purpose until 62 (when you are able to use your heat to use Cooldown, which is like a free Slug Shot, and a full ability to spam it during overheat).

Because it makes the class feel dumbed down, incomplete. It feels like a husk of job, even more so than most of the roster beyond it. It doesn't really have a core playstyle really down until 64. Anywhere lower than that you just feel like a gimped Archer (not even a bard)

[Fannah]

Yes I agree, I meant there is no need to manage heat before that level, as he seemed to say we need to manage it before.

[RiceisNice]

Yes I agree, I meant there is no need to manage heat before that level, as he seemed to say we need to manage it before.

It'd be the same scenario as getting blood of the dragon or enochian, but not getting WT/FnC or either IV spells for another 12 levels. You'd have literally no interaction with that ability and it's just sitting there because of retroactive adjustments that weren't given precautions. I mean they redid Wanderer's Minuet and BRD gets pitch perfect at level 52 alongside it, the skill is completely functional.