Cast Cure on Undead to Damage it

[Snow_Princess]

The lack of elemental wheel makes it less interesting than in FFXI. Back then we really had to plan what spell to cast to elemental mob, even water creatures like Crabs areweak against lightning.

If this is a FFXI reference, the it really wasn't at least for me, because for the most part you just used your highest level spell regardless of "weakness" since each spell was a bit stronger then the last, like thunder III doing more damage then blizzard III and stone IV doing more then both. Thunder III would not do more damage then stone IV on a crab, it just lessened the chance of doing partial damage (1/2, 1/4,1/8) There is an extremely short list of monsters that take static partial damage to elements, like elemental spirits, they do not take much to whatever element it is, and whatever element it is strong to. So if we use the little example of Stone IV, Thunder III and blizzard III, your strongest spell on an earth spirit would be blizzard III because of the static partial damage to the other 2 elements. It really wasn't that interesting because there was no increased damage for targeting a weakness, it was more of memorizing all the static partial damage stuff and knowing what to stay away from casting.

FFXIV however does have logic of FFXI's elemental wheel in the game, just hardly used. It is clear if you ever did a HW relic. For one turn in, you can do "astral-aspected materia, that is fire, wind, lightning, the 3 elements that made up the light skill chain in ffxi (the missing 4th be the holy element and we have no materia for that) and for Umbral-aspected it is ice, earth, water, same 3 elements for the darkness skill chain in ffxi, leaving out dark element.

But a real elemental wheel can't exist in this game since each job only has 1 or 2 elements, so it wouldn't be fair to lock out a job due to it. So that is likely why they left out the healing undead thing for 2.0+

By that token a Phoenix Down would have to 1 shot an undead mob/raid boss.

Can't use Phoenix Down in battle though..

This would likely require more recoding of the way the spell works than they are likely to bother with. (Cure as an undead nuke in FFXI was never exactly efficient, for the record -- it was something that was always more of a novelty than anything else.)

This as well, you simply did more damage with banish III or whatever, healing for damage never did much.

[Bacent]

Plus, it will give more healers incentive to dps ; )

I don't know why you think this is a good point. Healers do too much DPS and not enough healing. Healers heal too much and never help DPS. People need to stop using this as a point to whatever they're suggesting. It's an argument that will never be settled entirely. Just let that die.

[Belhi]

Elemental wheels would screw up gearing and create issues for classes with elemental style attacks like BLM. Likewise, beyond it just being gimmicky, making cure spells damage undead would be only problematic in balance. Any enemy it would actually be particularly useful against, such as in raids and dungeons, would be immune to the effects.

FF14 is built on a fundamentally different design philosophy so a system that works FF11 isn't necessarily going to translate over well.

[magnanimousCynic]

Ifrit actually gets increased damage from ice in many (most/all?!) Final Fantasy games, so black mages instead of being "neutered" in that fight, would be glass cannons with no down-times for their heightened offense, as blizzard spells would deal increased damage just like fire spells do normally.

Unless your theoretical Ifrit takes ~80% more damage (to match af3 damage increase) from Ice spells then BLM would be nerfed in damage. That's not even bringing up how brain-dead the rotation becomes, being B1-B4x3 repeated until the boss dies. Does a Job with a main rotation of 2 buttons sound fun?

What about RDM in Air/Thunder/Fire/Earth resistant fights? How would they do their rotation optimally without suffering a large DPS loss?

Why not just take SMN, who has only unaspected magic, to completely all resistances?

[Avenger]

Nearly every other FF game has it - I was rather disappointed that it doesn't work in FFXIV.

[Aylis]

By that token a Phoenix Down would have to 1 shot an undead mob/raid boss.

IT CAN HAPPEN!!!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4oLIfsj9hg

[Kit-Kat]

IT CAN HAPPEN!!!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4oLIfsj9hg

Works on Abadon too :]

[Felis]

Nearly every other FF game has it - I was rather disappointed that it doesn't work in FFXIV.

In every other FF game, except FF XI, you decide who is part of the party and nobody complain.

[Ilan]

Can we have an elemental wheel please?

Water>fire>ice>wind>earth>lightning>water.

Holy><zombie

So you want SE to make classes more complex again after they made them easier? Not to mention that some classes would be completly useless in certain fights (meaning: players who play these classes will never see that content). Good idea.

[NolLacnala]

Casting Stones at undead is blunt damage

Unless it's a really sharp rock