Thread: 1.20 destroyed the game again ?

Originally Posted by GreatLeviathan

So multishot is gone.. So yeah useless now..

Umm, kinda "simple" aren't you? Its not gone its renamed. I would hardly call it useless. 5 shots at 150ish a piece with cobolt arrows. So if 800+ damage in one ability is a waste, well then your totally right, the game is destroye, I mean its so bad, if I were you I would asolutely quit right now and never look back.




You sir are still a liar,
Heavy Shot optimal level : 1
Recast time : 10 seconds TP cost 1000
Delivers a ranged attack, must be at least 8 yalms away from target for use in combo.

Originally Posted by Coglin

Umm, kinda "simple" aren't you? Its not gone its renamed. I would hardly call it useless. 5 shots at 150ish a piece with cobolt arrows. So if 800+ damage in one ability is a waste, well then your totally right, the game is destroye, I mean its so bad, if I were you I would asolutely quit right now and never look back.

Actually, in the moogle fight with HQ cobalt arrows a non-critical shot does anywhere from 220 to 285. That spikes ARC as the highest DPS in the game.

The OP is probably the laziest person I have ever seen. He logged, looked at his WS bar, got confused, then rageposted like a child.

Also, let's keep this post in context - the OP has only ARC at 50, 1 other class past 30, and no other jobs beyond 20, no Ifrit win, no moogle win, no darkhold win. You have zero-to-no experience.

Originally Posted by NoctisUmbra

So the first 10 seconds after you engage a mob is what is breaking this game? Got it.

The level of the mobs you're fighting. Are they Lv 35?

Btw, Lv 25 isn't halfway to cap. Lv 40 is.

i think the point your missing is the current battle is heavily tuned to being max level. It is really bad mid level, or early leveling if you want to call it that. You simply dont have the tools to do your job well early, you probably have 1 combo, and on certain jobs its a not that useful combo, you most likely do not have any of the moves that give you synergy, and you probably dont have all the cross class abilities that might prove useful, but even if you did, you can only equip like2 of them.

One of the reasons you think combat is great and makes sense is because you have everything 50, and you get to see a total package of how its all tuned.
This is one of teh reasons most games give you skills early and power them up as you go, because for the total picture of the job to make sense, you may need some skills earlier, even if they are weakened, like pug needs mp management abilities, blm needs convert etc.

Also having nothing you can do besides wait for teh beginning of teh fight for every melee class is a bad design, people like to initiate combat, possibly at an advantage, they need to abandon the do nothing until you build up power for 4/5 battle jobs (and the only one who can take initiative is archer, and it doesnt get barrage till like, what 34?), its boring, and even though once you get going its ok, its not ok early, and while invig is great, the only person who will have invigorate starting off is lancer.

The abilities and combat is poorly tuned for the ride up, and it needs more starting abilities even if they arent tp earning/based.

the system has some real strengths, and at 50 when you see the full picture of jobs, its generally pretty good, but why does the game actually start at cap? where is the fun before you get to cap? how fun will it be when they have jobs and you cant use bloodbath, invigorate, cure etc? (sure you could level them, but if you want to main monk, you are only really going to want to invest in whatever will actually be useful from level 30 onwards)

In all honesty i feel like the combat designs blindspot is being balanced for having all skills and levels already done.

Originally Posted by Physic

i think the point your missing is the current battle is heavily tuned to being max level. It is really bad mid level, or early leveling if you want to call it that. You simply dont have the tools to do your job well early, you probably have 1 combo, and on certain jobs its a not that useful combo, you most likely do not have any of the moves that give you synergy, and you probably dont have all the cross class abilities that might prove useful, but even if you did, you can only equip like2 of them.

One of the reasons you think combat is great and makes sense is because you have everything 50, and you get to see a total package of how its all tuned.
This is one of teh reasons most games give you skills early and power them up as you go, because for the total picture of the job to make sense, you may need some skills earlier, even if they are weakened, like pug needs mp management abilities, blm needs convert etc.

Also having nothing you can do besides wait for teh beginning of teh fight for every melee class is a bad design, people like to initiate combat, possibly at an advantage, they need to abandon the do nothing until you build up power for 4/5 battle jobs (and the only one who can take initiative is archer, and it doesnt get barrage till like, what 34?), its boring, and even though once you get going its ok, its not ok early, and while invig is great, the only person who will have invigorate starting off is lancer.

The abilities and combat is poorly tuned for the ride up, and it needs more starting abilities even if they arent tp earning/based.

the system has some real strengths, and at 50 when you see the full picture of jobs, its generally pretty good, but why does the game actually start at cap? where is the fun before you get to cap? how fun will it be when they have jobs and you cant use bloodbath, invigorate, cure etc? (sure you could level them, but if you want to main monk, you are only really going to want to invest in whatever will actually be useful from level 30 onwards)

In all honesty i feel like the combat designs blindspot is being balanced for having all skills and levels already done.

I agree 100%. I bolded the statements I feel are most important.

Originally Posted by NoctisUmbra

You still haven't mentioned the level of the mobs you and your husband were fighing on your level 25 classes by the way Rowyne.

Quest enemies (from GC quests), leve enemies, and level 30 humanoids in Coerthas.