Thread: SMN & MCH buff in 4.06 on 8/8 ??

Are we really going to have a patch and another maintenance just so crappy MCH and SMNs can be slightly less crappy??? I mean really? Can't they just change jobs to samurai or red mage?

I never used sustain lol in HW the egis took no damage really outside of solo instances there are far more important changes to SMN that need to happen I could care less about a button I never really pressed to begin with

Originally Posted by Zeonsilt

It's about time that they realize something.

What's there to realise? That a RDM is good at recovery during progress? (Verraise)

Originally Posted by Zeonsilt

Also, Dervy's comment:

Not sure which logs he was looking at, but the difference between the #1 card fed BLM, and the #1 RDM without cards is 800 dps in favor of the BLM.

Originally Posted by Zeonsilt

Saw this pic on reddit ^

It's about time that they realize something.

SMN(and BLM, to some extent) is really in a bad spot because RDM.
MCH is really in a bad spot because BRD.

aka "there's a job that can do anything you do, and do it much better"

Also, Dervy's comment:


O4S RDM 87.9% and BRD 96.5%.

96.5% vs 3.5%, Carl.

A bit off-topic, but that 46.3% WHM participation kind of leads me to believe that maybe they were overbuffed a bit with SB? That's almost double the participation of the other two healers - basically, all but 3.7% of raid groups ATM (barring outliers like solo healing the fight, admittedly, if that's counted) are bringing a WHM to OS4.

All but 0.9% of groups are clearing O4S without a PLD, as well.

That's actually worse than SMN's representation, all things considered (though poor MCH is suffering a similar fate as non-PLD/non-WHM comps).

Originally Posted by loreleidiangelo

A bit off-topic, but that 46.3% WHM participation kind of leads me to believe that maybe they were overbuffed a bit with SB? That's almost double the participation of the other two healers - basically, all but 3.7% of raid groups ATM (barring outliers like solo healing the fight, admittedly, if that's counted) are bringing a WHM to OS4.

A bit late to the party on this but I didn't see anyone else address it.

WHM is always the "safe" raid choice and has only become that more so in SB as their MP management turned from a huge weakness to one of their largest strengths. MP sustainable, massive, party-wide heals are the bread and butter of advancing in a fight you don't know anything about and WHM offers that and the hands down strongest personal healer DPS which is also a focus.

Even if they leave all 3 healers more or less alone (which I desperately hope they don't, god I miss SCH) I think WHM participation in raids will start to decline naturally with time.

There is also the issue of Noct AST outclassing SCH in virtually every way. You don't bring a SCH with an AST in Noct and what group doesn't want ultra-powerful shields and insane party heals over a small crit bump?

On the actual topic I was so happy with the release of SB because the removal of spendable attribute points meant I didn't have to be one of those sub-par SMN's who had their MND buffed since they mained SCH. Then SE did what they did to both classes and now I haven't even leveled either of them. I desperately hope they have a fix coming soon.

Guys come on, sustain was good and all but I do NOT want to see the only patch notes in 4:06 be:

"Re-added sustain to Summoner"