Thread: SMN & MCH buff in 4.06 on 8/8 ??

I liked sustain because it kept the fairys from healing the shit out of themselves.

Originally Posted by Desteroth

I liked sustain because it kept the fairys from healing the shit out of themselves.

Not to rain on your parade but Sustain was a healing over time so if your fairy didn't have any higher priority to heal (which in your case she doesn't) she would still heal the shit out of herself because sustain needs 9 whole seconds to just about heal as much as 2 embraces do in 5 seconds. To make matters worse, Sustain also needs 9 seconds to heal less than a physick would have healed immediately.

Originally Posted by Cherub

(...)because sustain needs 9 whole seconds to just about heal as much as 2 embraces do in 5 seconds. To make matters worse, Sustain also needs 9 seconds to heal less than a physick would have healed immediately.

I'm pretty sure that these 8% were every tick, not in total...Sustain was actually pretty useful. Its cast time was hilariously low, so you could pop it up "on the move", without losing much mobility between AoE's. On the other hand, Physick have full cast time rooting you to the ground for long enough as to make it unusable when AoE's are used in sequence. Its MP cost was also lower than Physick, so unless the pet needed heavy healing, it did save you MP AND time.

Total HP that Sustain did heal was larger than Physick, if I recall. Obviously, it healed a lot more than that for Titan (even more than if the party healer would use Physick on your Titan...but meh...Titan was not used in parties normally). Clearly I can't check it now...However, Embrace heals at lvl70 only slightly above 10% of the HP that Eos have, and both heal every 3sec. So yes, Sustain was significant as far as healing the pet goes. If the pet needed healing, that is.

Originally Posted by kikix12

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Sustain does heal for 8% every tick. Back in 3.5 the Fairy had approximately 21k health. 24% of that is approximately 5.250. the Fairy healed about 2800 per embrace back then.
Using the same numbers, a Physick healed in the range of 5.5k.
Sustain costs 442 MP at level 60, Physick costs 442 MP at level 60.
Physick and Embrace can crit, are affected by healing increasing abiliies if you happen to be under one and pysick is a TWO second GCD cast while sustain can not crit, is never affected by healing increasing abilities and is a 1 second GCD cast.
And as a SCH you're going to have high crit anyways.
It was useful on SMN, I used it all the time on titan when I duo'd aquapolis with a friend. But on SCH? I'm sorry I absolutely can't see it.
Now in 4.0 sustain should -slightly- outheal 2 embraces but it never did back then. Using sustain to prevent fairy from healing herself also won't work as it's a HoT so she'd still heal herself.

Originally Posted by Jybril

SMN egi's die awfully quick now. As a healer, I get a lot of thanks of keeping the Egi's alive but yeah, it's much needed as a SMN.
We can live without it as a SCH but there are times where I miss it but it's not a MUST HAVE especially when we heal and the faeries can heal themselves lol.

As someone with a max level summoner, I've never had issues with any of my egi''s even come close to dying. I'm trying to imagine scenarios where it would be a issue and the only thing I can think of are summoner that don't know how to manage their egi's and move them out of bad/aoe. The sustain "issue" seems to vary from person to person and is not even part of the scope of the important issues affecting summoner.

Mostly it affects soloing. Titan just dies too fast. I want Sustain back badly, please.

I won't say that having Sustain back wouldn't be a great QoL, but I feel like people are missing the forest for the trees here in regards to what sort of buffs and adjustments SMN ACTUALLY needs. The devs aren't doing what basically amounts to an emergency balance tune-up just because some SMNs can't get their daily hunts done below level in the open world.

I'm hoping they returned MCH's heat generation to the normal values and buffed Overheat's damage a good deal (+10% minimum would be nice).