RDM's Vercure should be removed or heavily nerfed

[TelosNox]

Please please please, remove Raise and Heal from RDM (I main RDM and this is really my opinion).

I love the style how RDM plays and all I wanna do is to fulfill my role: DPS. I hate it, when I am expected to do the raise just because I have that damn dualcast that applies to it. I hate it that I have a heal, that I never ever need. I hate it, that ppl complain about RDM just because it has some Skills, that it doesn't want to use.
According to fflogs RDM is already 10% behind SAM and 5% behind BLM and MNK (effective selfdps in Omega Savage, movement utility is already considered here). The only DPS utility RDM offers is Embolden which effective is a 1% overall Buff to each Melee. So with Roundabout 4k Melee DPS and average 2 Melees in a Group + 2 Tanks doing roundabout 3k together there is 1% of 11k DMG that is buffed by the Redmage. That's 110 DPS which is less than the 5-10% that RDM is behind.

So please remove Raise and Heal and give RDM a Buff!

[Mondhimmel]

It's so unfair that BLM has unlimited mana, give Umbral Ice to RDM and SMN. It's so unfair that BLM just gets to shield for 20% of their health. And they have ridiculous damage, how unfair. BLM and SMN don't have any thematic reason to be good healers or raisers. Their design philosophy is about experiencing the uniqueness of a job. RDM is uniquely equipped to provide emergency Raises and Vercures, it's part of their flavor, they're not going to touch either of them and they're certainly not going to increase the MP cost, if it's too expensive to use there's no point in even having it, giving an axe to RDM's flavor, which is more of a priority to them than "fairness". Any competent SMN or BLM can get into a party, no point in declaring RIP BLM and SMN.

That Shield have 30% damage reduce >.< a free 10k+ Lives Saver

Oh... please dont ask for nerv that

[Ronzeru]

You realize the only place Vecure is used, is in a party that dies far too much... and that Vecure doesn't cure a lack of ability in raid awareness, right? What this boils down to, are people pouting, because on 'paper' rather than execution, it makes Redmage l ook more delicious than say, blackmage...

[Draxxion]

If you remove vercure or verraise then you will have to buff RDM dps more. That would be the trade off. You people already complain RDMs dps is to high so if they did buff RDM after removing vercure and verraise you will just start another thread complaining about that. The only reason verraise or vercure should be used in group is if people are messing up. If people are messing up then that is a bigger glaring issue then relying on a RDM to save your groups butt. Stop relying on a RDM and get good.

[Kogekigami]

*sips from black mage tears mug*

Why are people complaining about a skill that only gets used in the pre pull opener and then before a veraise to rez someone else's butt. As yoshi P said its cause red mages use a mixture of Black and white magic so giving them a more powerful cure from the summoner's physic and a rez over the black mage makes sense lore wise. Its like saying remove jumps from dragoon.

idk i find people who moan about red mage funny... square please sell official black mage tears mugs

[MaikoRaines]

Please please please, remove Raise and Heal from RDM (I main RDM and this is really my opinion)

If you don't like them then don't use them.

I don't share your opinion in any way. If someone tells you to use them, kindly tell the healer to pick it up. If the healer is dead, oh hey, you can use that utility to get them back in the fight. Why wipe a party if you have a chance of preventing it from happening? So sick of DPS weebs such as yourself complaining about Red Mage versatility - that class is probably older than you.

Why be -THAT- person?

RDM also doesn't need a buff - they were never in the history of Final Fantasy supposed to surpass any class. They were designed in tandem to work with every class. You have an issue with DPS then play something else. Don't wanna play anything else? Suck it up sunshine.

[aleph_null]

Job lores aside verraise made rdm ridiculously OP for progression, and that's not really a good thing for the game. Reducing rdm dps contribution isn't the fix since it'll just make people bring rdm for progression and swap it with smn/blm (or even another physical job) post progression or for speedkills. Defensive utilities should be balanced against defensive utilities, and raid dps contribution should be balanced against raid dps contribution. As of now the caster balance in terms of defensive utilities is so bad that any group not bringing a rdm during progression is pretty much handicapping themselves. It's not impossible to progress without rdm, but it'll likely take longer than with rdm, considering the ability to recover from bad situations to crawl all the way to enrage. It just makes learning later phase mechanics easier.

[Oats]

As a raiding RDM, I would suggest if vecure were to be nerfed, it should be nerfed by raising mana requirement to cast. Reducing potency just makes it useless which is lore breaking. Removing it is bad because its lore breaking. Give veraise a cool down if you must but taking these skills out or nerfing them into the ground is taking out some of the appeal to play the class.

Honestly I'd rather have vercure and verraise stay the same and be a unique snowflake though because I dont want to play "every job is really the same job" fantasy.

[Rawrz]

As a raiding RDM, I would suggest if vecure were to be nerfed, it should be nerfed by raising mana requirement to cast.

It already has a heavy mp cost relative to rdm. It's the same as verflare and Verholy.

I was worried it was going to be nerfed before, but they obviously have no intention of doing so. :]

[MaikoRaines]

As a raiding RDM, I would suggest if vecure were to be nerfed, it should be nerfed by raising mana requirement to cast. Reducing potency just makes it useless which is lore breaking. Removing it is bad because its lore breaking. Give veraise a cool down if you must but taking these skills out or nerfing them into the ground is taking out some of the appeal to play the class.

I'm actually going to politely disagree with you. I find Verraise takes a modest chunk of your MP away. Adding a cooldown does little favor to anyone who actually utilizes the spell. I can't tell you how many times it's been a saving grace for O2S when healers are keeping us all up and someone hits a mechanic straight to the face. Some people would argue that it takes away from DPS and I'd almost agree but I find I have fast fingers and can usually pull off a raise and then sling a Jolt 2right back at the enemy and keep going while popping refresh to get that massive chunk back.

I never thought I'd appreciate how versatile Red Mage would be in the game. I do hear from RDM's from old asking for Phalanx again - that's another uphill battle I'm sure