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    Blizzard has created what I like to call of 'virtual' content.

    Literally everything you do in legion has only a chance of giving you a reward, you have no guarantee that your efforts are going to be rewarded, you can spend 200+ hours grinding for an item and someone else got the exact same item after spending 10 or 15 hours.

    Just imagine if Susanoo had only a 5% chance to drop a weapon and had no token, people would be running parties for Susanoo for months after the launch of the expansion and still not everyone would have their weapon. And that's not all! There is also a chance that your weapon will have a 5 ilvl upgrade or a even smaller chance that it will have a 10 ilvl upgrade, and there is also the chance that it will have extra sockets for you to put materias on, or some random stat that buffs your movement speed or survival. Do you call that actual content? That's basically what Blizzard has done.

    Now, I will agree that SE could add something here and there to increase the content longevity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nezia View Post
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    But guess what Nezia, SE did that as well with the Atma grind in 2.0, so they are just as guilty of that! And your right....it was pure RNG....but it was RNG you may win that kept players coming back in hopes of winning! In SB, there is no growth....all there is once you have done your raids for the week and capped for the week....your done, for the rest of that week you literally have nothing to do but earn useless gil to buy houses that aren't available and to buy 320 gear yet again that becomes useless as soon as a new patch drops! Hence a waste of money and a waste of time!
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    I guess it's my fate as a Dark Knight. Soon, I won't even feel any remorse for my actions!-Cecil Harvey-FFIV DRK

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nezia View Post
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    The irony here is you more or less described Diadem, especially the updated version that boasted a ilvl 280 weapon with randomized secondaries. The response? Near universal scorn; frequently cited as the worst piece of content developed outside perhaps Lord of Verminion. Now that was probably an oversimplification of WoW, but it still amused me.
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    I kinda stopped reading when you said you were following twitch viewers of the game.

    FFXIV is a fun game, but a very boring game to watch. I don't know why anyone would want to watch someone play an MMO. That's not a good way to tell how popular the game is.

    Also of note, half of the effort they put into the expansion was the story. If you skipped the story, then yeah, SB is probably a waste of money for you so far.
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    Yes, looks like you "wasted" your money.

    FFXIV is a casual MMO and after the first busy month\week the game is built around people that play a few hours a day and/or a few days each week.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Driavna View Post
    FFXIV is a casual MMO and after the first busy month\week the game is built around people that play a few hours a day and/or a few days each week.

    Casual MMORPG yet there are people who are determined to be elitists in FFXIV XD.

    As for me though, I'm finding myself needing some time away from the game otherwise I will be spending 24/7 of my time in Eorzea :S. Everything I want to do, gathering and crafting is very time intensive that I need to force myself away so I can do my own work XD.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nezia View Post
    Blizzard has created what I like to call of 'virtual' content.

    Literally everything you do in legion has only a chance of giving you a reward

    Just imagine if Susanoo had only a 5% chance to drop a weapon and had no token, people would be running parties for Susanoo for months
    thats not true , SE will add more primals and u will try luck in the next primal for the same % for a way better weapon. plus catchup system exist in both games (or any modern mmorpg)

    no1 is doing old content in Legion outside alts or ppl farming specific gear or glamour (appareance items for artifacts ), Weekly boss yeah but the items dropped LEVEL WITH YOUR CHAR (ilvl based ), at the begging u were getting 850 ilvl items now u can gain 900+ items , thats why ppl keep doing content the better your ilvl the better your chance of getting an upgrade.

    if we want to compare wow legion to something is Diablo III , rng drops galore....but outside raids , and mythic+ dungeons , and some WQ the chance of obtaining updgrades is tiny.
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    Last edited by Warlyx; 08-04-2017 at 03:27 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warlyx View Post
    thats not true , SE will add more primals and u will try luck in the next primal for the same % for a way better weapon.
    You always have at least 12,5% chance of dropping your weapon from the boss. If you are extremely unlucky the most times you can run that primal without getting your weapon is 10. In the example I made I was talking about 5% chance of dropping a weapon AT ALL, not 5% of dropping YOUR weapon.

    Quote Originally Posted by Warlyx View Post

    no1 is doing old content in Legion outside alts or ppl farming specific gear or glamour (appareance items for artifacts ), Weekly boss yeah but the items dropped LEVEL WITH YOUR CHAR (ilvl based ), at the begging u were getting 850 ilvl items now u can gain 900+ items , thats why ppl keep doing content the better your ilvl the better your chance of getting an upgrade.
    My friends have been proving their worth to Odyn for almost 1 year now. Only because blizzard has increased the ilvl from the loot does not make the content new, it only makes it relevant.

    I got tired after I proved my worth to Odyn for 6 months and still did not get the legendary I wanted... Oh, which reminds me of the crapiest of all systems they added in legion: The Legendaries! Some legendaries have extremely powerfull effects, others are nothing but a ilvl boost, and the best part is: the more legendaries you get the less likely you are getting a new one! Got 2 terrible legendaries in a row? Welp, too bad for you, maybe in 2 or 3 months you will be getting a new one, just pray it is not one of the shitty ones or else you will be stuck for at least more 4 months with no new legendaries this time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nezia View Post
    I got tired after I proved my worth to Odyn for 6 months and still did not get the legendary I wanted... Oh, which reminds me of the crapiest of all systems they added in legion: The Legendaries! Some legendaries have extremely powerfull effects, others are nothing but a ilvl boost, and the best part is: the more legendaries you get the less likely you are getting a new one! Got 2 terrible legendaries in a row? Welp, too bad for you, maybe in 2 or 3 months you will be getting a new one, just pray it is not one of the shitty ones or else you will be stuck for at least more 4 months with no new legendaries this time.
    Correct me if I'm wrong, but some trinkets in EM are on par or better than ToS when titangforged right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Remedi View Post
    Correct me if I'm wrong, but some trinkets in EM are on par or better than ToS when titangforged right?
    I quit the game before the ToS patch, so I don't know.
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