SAM suboptimal for prog?

[Esoterikk]

Talking to a few prog streamers the concensus is seems to be that SAM doesn't bring enough DPS to make up for the loss of overall raid DPS/utility. Is this true? Seems like a complete 180 from the complaining I was reading before. Speedrun groups are apparently dropping them for MNK

[Greedalox]

Speedrun groups are apparently dropping them for MNK

Speed run groups and progression groups are polar opposites. Besides, SAM is more or less fine- they're at worst readily interchangeable with MNK which isn't a bad thing at all.

Anyhoo, progression wise the world first group had to switch out SAM for MNK not because of damage, but they needed Mantra for the healers- this would shift for most players the week after when healing checks aren't so tight from lack of gear anyways so it's already a moot point.

Nobody's gonna kick you out of bed for being a Samurai if that's what you're worried about.

[Stormblessed9000]

To add to what Greedalox said, it's actually more of a thing for world first than normal prog since it most people will wait until they gear up much more than the world first people did.

[Shiroe]

mnk is 2nd highest dps atm, with raids 2x raid utilities: dps buff and healimg buff.., can very well see it replacing sam here and there...

but sam dps can get so high, it really can still compensate, especially if there is no nin or/and no war in the group for slashing..., never really saw sams locked out pfs or statics (unlike other jobs with no utility and behind sam and mnk dps-wise)

[Exiled_Tonberry]

This is only a thing for world first progression, and I usually hate it when people say this, but in this case it's true.

The damage from Sam is absolutely fantastic, but if you can't live through attacks, there's no point. That's where Monk comes in with Mantra. Once damage is low enough for that not to matter, SAM will absolutely be meta

[Lastelli]

Indeed top statics for omega turns don't include a SAM at the moment. But people that know how this game works could see this coming from miles away.
Still, I don't think this proves that SAM is suboptimal for speedkills, maybe we'll see a new static with an amazing SAM topping the charts soon, who knows.
At the very least, however, this proves once again that SAM is not overtuned.

[Esoterikk]

So if my end game is to get into speedruns its probably not a great idea to gear up SAM?

[Lastelli]

So if my end game is to get into speedruns its probably not a great idea to gear up SAM?

Correct. If that's your final goal you should focus on NIN, RDM or BRD. But anything might change with the next patches.