Instant-gratification, and the "Time Sink Here, Time Sink There" song. VERY LONG

[Yves]

Again...You beat the deaf dumb kid, you beat Stephen Hawking, it all still goes in the win column, you still get the points.

Look, Again, this shouldn't be hard to understand...When you score a goal, you get a point. When you kill ifrit, you get a totem, it just makes sense...

To use an analogy that actually works, not a horrible, tortured one like your side has been using.

If you do your job, whatever it may be, Does your employer/manager come along and say..."Well I think your job is easy, I did it years ago...blah blah blah, So, we're going to roll this die, if It comes up a six, you get paid this week, if it comes up anything else...well, try again next week..."
NO! of course not, he would get sued. he gives you your paycheck and you all leave happy, maybe one day if you do your job real well you might get an even rarer reward like a promotion or a raise...but you at least get the reward of a paycheck every time.

To use your analogy of employment, Taco Bell employees don't deserve to be paid the best possible wages for effing up my bean burrito.

If you want to make $200k a year you generally have to work hard for it - not bag groceries. You get paid crap wages - like exp, gil, and DM.

So you look again and explain how such easy content deserves the best available rewards.

[Pandastirfry]

To use your analogy of employment, Taco Bell employees don't deserve to be paid the best possible wages for effing up my bean burrito.

If you want to make $200k a year you generally have to work hard for it - not bag groceries.

yet they still get their $4.25 an hour, wether you like it or not. no one is asking for the best possible wages, I.E.: 100% drop of weapons...they're asking for 100% on the totem...they're basically asking for minimum wage

[Rutelor]

Where does OP say anything about totem drop rate?

/bow

Rutelor

[Yves]

yet they still get their $4.25 an hour, wether you like it or not. no one is asking for the best possible wages, I.E.: 100% drop of weapons...they're asking for 100% on the totem...they're basically asking for minimum wage

You get exp, gil and DM as a reward - minimum wage. Hey, people are ranking 45 to 50 on crafting jobs just from Ifrit. Why don't you just come out and say you're butthurt because you want the best possible rewards for doing an easy job?

I would be willing to say 100% droprate on totem if you beat it in under 10 minutes or something but there needs to be a challenge, not just doing your job.

[Isaveron]

Seriously, it might be time for SE to deactivate and shut down these forums and just use surveys to gain direction. There is a clear polarity of "too hard" and "too easy" with about 30 people from each side posing inflammatory comments constantly and stupid memes.

This. The forum community here is just awful, although you can say the same about any official forum for a MMORPG. I'm sure they could get their feedback from a half decent fan site, one that will do more than just whine about the game and throw insults at each other.

[Neptune]

@OP you put so much into your post that I have to dismiss the thought that you're an idiot when it comes to mind. With that said, I don't know of anyone that appreciates instant gratification.

Perhaps the people that suggested the Ifrit gear item drop be 100% and 10-15 to get a weapon seems like instant gratification to you? Let's take a look at that example. It took BG 150 attempts to beat Ifrit once. Some of their members ran it dozens of times after that looking for their gear to drop. Along the way, I think all 150 attempts were exciting and probably a few more of the battles after they had perfected their strategy. Beyond that I'm sure it turned into something mindless.

Asking for the item to be a 100% drop is rational because a lot of work goes into beating Ifrit the first time and the next several times after that.

Other than that I can't think of a recent example where someone made a suggestion to make the game more accommodating. I challenge you to prove you aren't an idiot by linking some recent examples of someone asking for instant gratification through blaming a time sink. We will have a look at the strength of your reasoning if you are up to the task.

[CepheiMordred]

This. The forum community here is just awful, although you can say the same about any official forum for a MMORPG. I'm sure they could get their feedback from a half decent fan site, one that will do more than just whine about the game and throw insults at each other.

I agree. It seems like the problem is the hardcore vs. casual debate that seems to be endless in mmos. How can the devs reply to this without giving either side the advantage, by letting one side ride roughshod over the other? Some forums, hardcores can treat casuals like filth but if the casuals give back as good as they get, then the moderations start being handed out.

[Alise]

150 killed to get all ifrit weapons is about fair. since some get it all in much lower attempts, although it is sad to see people who still not get his 7/7 after 400 tries. It leave only stupid reason of "I wanna keep u paying. let me try time sink you as much as I can"

Who here dare says that a person with 400 tries win not deserve to complete his goal in ifrit yet?

100% totem drop rate is the way it should be. So you work as stepping up, not stay still and hopeless in the random meter.

[Tibian]

Again...You beat the deaf dumb kid, you beat Stephen Hawking, it all still goes in the win column, you still get the points.

Look, Again, this shouldn't be hard to understand...When you score a goal, you get a point. When you kill ifrit, you get a totem, it just makes sense...

To use an analogy that actually works, not a horrible, tortured one like your side has been using.

If you do your job, whatever it may be, Does your employer/manager come along and say..."Well I think your job is easy, I did it years ago...blah blah blah, So, we're going to roll this die, if It comes up a six, you get paid this week, if it comes up anything else...well, try again next week..."
NO! of course not, he would get sued. he gives you your paycheck and you all leave happy, maybe one day if you do your job real well you might get an even rarer reward like a promotion or a raise...but you at least get the reward of a paycheck every time.

This is the voice of clarity in a grossly delusional thread where XI purists continue to spew nonsense about overly repetitious tasks being fun and rewarding.

[TheVedis]

This is the voice of clarity in a grossly delusional thread where XI purists continue to spew nonsense about overly repetitious tasks being fun and rewarding.

there is a middle ground to be had in it though

yes some things are too repetitive, but thats a common factor amongst all games(let me not get int how a group can do a dungeon in wow for a year and still be missing drops they want)
yet there is an insta factor some people think there needs to be where you do something once, and your done cuz you should get all you need right then and there


the middle ground is what we need, yes you should have to repeat stuff, but the question is to what extent