Thank You For the Feast Ticket System

[Stormfur]

I just saw the announcement on the French blog, and it looks like the top 100 will get armor while depending on your rank, you can earn tickets for a weapon plus other things.

The blog didn't say much beyond that, but I for one am excited to get something besides accessories that no one sees or cares about. IMHO, all Feast rewards should be done via this ticket system - with the top 100 getting their rewards sooner, but making the rewards do-able for everyone else with time and effort.

Hopefully past rewards will eventually be part of this system as well so that we can spend our tickets as we please.

[Mirch]

top 100 rewards MUST stay exlusive, also the thing of the tokens is good i think, it is an incentive to actually play and hopefully for ppl to get better, the thing that top 10 reward is a sure drop of what you could buy with the tokens is also good: you ar part of top 100 and you are top 10. I think the "buyable" rewards will be obtainable in 2 seasons if diamond on both season..or maybe not idk

[Yoruno]

Hopefully past rewards will eventually be part of this system as well so that we can spend our tickets as we please.

No. Just no. Not now. Not then. Not in the future. And not ever. I missed all those PVE seasonal events can I have the rewards?

I don't think you understand what it is you're asking. Any player who worked themselves stupid to a top 100 position will vehemently disagree with what you're asking. Those Top 100 rewards are symbolic of a player who had not only the skill, but the determination to get those rewards. What you're proposing is a brain dead grind which puts everyone on the same level, which is what they've kind of already done with the new changes but haha hey hey let's not retrieve the corpse which is PVP just to bury it yet again by just squandering everything avid PVP players have done for the last four seasons right?

If square enix do this, every person who tried their best and took time out to perfect their job to stand a chance in the competitive content which WAS feast will stop playing. I certainly will and judging from the opinions of several of my friends and what they think if this were to happen they will too. If you want the reward, work for it.

Respectfully, I completely disagree with your post.

[AdamZ]

I missed all those PVE seasonal events can I have the rewards?

I most cases, yes, it is called the cash shop.

I think a ticket system is fine. Think of it like the rewards for clearing a raid tier. I could clear the raid and get the rewards the patch it is released (same in say a ticket system with the top 100). Come many patches later (or xpac with unsync) many others can get those same rewards with much less skill or effort (everyone outside the top 100) (Great example is people who went back and farmed the A4S mount).

Also, you will still have a top 100 rank (just like hardcore progression has world/server finishes), still have the achievements, and titles, it is just the glam/mounts you are losing (by losing I am allow others to get).

On it changing it to a grind, did they not do that with the changes in the last two seasons? You had many players with sub 50% win % in the top 100. Now the difference would be you can grind over many seasons, then just one.

I also would not care if they did it just going forward, and not add the rewards from the past seasons, but regardless if they do or do not, it is a better system.

[itsoni]

lol

1) PvE raiding isn't supported with an in-game ranking system.
2) The ability to unsync content and walk through it when 200 ilv's higher was actually heavily looked down on by the raiding community at the time - so much so that a lot of the best raid teams quit or had to re-recruit members due to dropoff when this news was announced.

Let's just take a look at one example that perfectly sums up the point we're all trying to make:

"The Avatar" title was massively coveted when savage was released for the first time. A person with that title was a very high-level player and could carry it with a level of prestige. Now it's actually pathetic, the title is void of any meaning. Literally any green leaf can get an overgeared group together and clear the content in 3 minutes flat, probably even less by now. The meaning of that title is now completely hollow, as for any other rewards associated with it.

This token system, if extended to anything other than the weapons as stated in the blog post, just reduces the rewards many players actually put work in for into a husk of its former self. If just anybody can get it, whats the point in it?

[Stormfur]

A reply with good points brought up

I could see why raiders would frown upon having gear and such that they worked hard to get suddenly made meaningless, like with the Avatar title. I could see why some left. But many stayed. They stayed knowing this would happen. Again and again and again.

And many of them still raid. For the fun. The challenge. The ability to work together as a team. The sweet taste of victory when it's all over.

And months down the line when everyone and their mom is riding around on that feathered snake, those raiders can say "I was one of the first people to have that." They won't look at it and think "I worked so hard for that and now EVERYONE has it! NOT FAIR." because they'll be practicing Ozma savage or whatever comes next.

And for a few months anyway, they'll be one of the few proud owners of that mount. And they can bask in other players' pride/envy as they please. See also: the bragging ledge in Idyllshire They'll be riding around on their shiny new Ozma mount.

There's always a greater challenge to attain. If you're worried about other people having something you (not directed at any one person) worked so hard for months ago, you shouldn't be looking at a digital item as your only reward. You've had your exclusivity and your time in the sun. You can be proud of the fact that you had the skill/determination/teamwork to make it happen back when it was difficult. Are those not rewards too?

[itsoni]

Are those not rewards too?

It's not at all about exclusivity or bragging rights and I personally have never played solely for the reward itself, but it is a byproduct of any effort I've put in and it should be respected to a degree. It is and should always be about respecting the players time and efforts into something and adequately rewarding them, not taking away from their achievements by cheapening it so everyone can have it. That is the point being made with the example of "The Avatar" title.

Also, I think you saying this is very out of touch: "There's always a greater challenge to attain".

There's no challenge left at all in this game mode for veteran players outside of healing, and even that was more challenging before the PvP changes. Any PvP player that even tried to play 4v4 Feast in Heavensward knew this. There is no greater challenge left - it's all been dumbed down. There is no longer a single duty in this game that requires as much critical thinking as pre-4.0 PvP did.

It was available once, there was an opportunity for people to try and get it and they failed to. That doesn't mean they should be allowed to get it again. If you are at university (the end-game) and you fail your final exam (Season 1) and then the resit (Season 2), it's over. You don't get another chance.

What's being argued here is giving free hand-outs to players who missed their chances.

You don't get an Honorary Degree by passing 100 GCSE's. You don't get a Season 1 reward by winning 100 Season 5 matches. It should be that simple. Any difference of opinion past this point can't be met at a common ground.

[Stormfur]

I don't think you understand what it is you're asking. Any player who worked themselves stupid to a top 100 position will vehemently disagree with what you're asking.

I understand exactly what I'm asking. I'm asking for the ability to allow other players to attain rewards that were previously only SEASONAL and EXCLUSIVE (not one or the other, which disqualifies legacy items and events).


Honestly, you should not have to "work yourself stupid" to get anything in this game. It. is. a. game. Not a job. You can certainly work toward something, but eventually you should start to see your efforts pay off. That's what I like about this ticket system. Just like when raiders raid and get their mounts and armor and weapons, they have earned them -- but over time as item levels go up, those rewards become more attainable to others. Are the raiders who got their stuff first upset about it? I wouldn't think so... That's just how things are in this game. They know this before they go in.

To be fair, the top 100 players are amazing (for the most part), just like the World First raiders are. But over time, the achievement fades. The exclusivity fades and it's onto the next raid tier. Whether or not it SHOULD be that way is a can of worms I don't want to open because I'm not a game developer.

Just because you ranked in the top 100 and earned the reward 3 seasons ago shouldn't entitle you to exclusivity for life. You've had months (years really) to bask in your achievement and be proud. And you should be. I'm certainly proud of people when I see the PVP armor or mounts, or anything else that takes a lot of work to achieve.

But eventually the achievement fades...and it becomes accessible to a larger group. I'm a prolific crafter. Am I mad because Moogles became a beast tribe where people could level their crafters after I grinded to the teeth to hit 60 on all of mine BEFORE they were released? Not at all. In fact I'm happy to see more people involved in crafting. Just as I'd be elated to see more people in PVP.

Think about it -- Literally everything in the game is set up to eventually make rewards more attainable. Tomestone gear. Crafting (in terms of the Ixal/Moogle catch up phase). Raiding.

I missed all those PVE seasonal events can I have the rewards?

Mogstation is that way --->

(Do I think you should have to buy them if you missed them? Not really. I do wish there were ways to attain them in game. But that's not my decision to make).

Those Top 100 rewards are symbolic of a player who had not only the skill, but the determination to get those rewards.

In many cases, yes. However, match-ups also go like this:

1) Notice good healer is streaming PVP on Twitch
2) Queue up because good healer is queued and you're more likely to get matched with them than someone that will cause you to lose.
3) Use third-party tools that practically CALL OUT when someone has used an ability so that you'll know not to waste yours. OR discover exploit that allows you to cast a bunch of Fire IVs in rapid succession. That guy's in the top 100 too. Very skill. Much fire. Wow. OR find people who don't care and will lose on purpose. SE did a lot to fight the win-traders but it's still an issue.
4) Win. Rinse and repeat

That's neither skill nor determination.

That being said however, like I mentioned before, most who are there deserve to be there. I've played with them and they're excellent, no doubt. Still, this having to rearrange-your-life-because-a-good-healer-is-PVP-streaming-on-Twitch-better-get-in-PVP is a real thing...precisely because your ability to succeed or fail in feast is also determined by other random players. Not even savage raiding does that! At least there you have a static and you work together over time to win.

What you're proposing is a brain dead grind which puts everyone on the same level...

PVP changes have already put everyone on the same level. And it's already pretty much a brain-dead grind for XP anyway. It's not like FFXIV PVP is some noble bastion of skill and strategy anyway.

[Yoruno]

This is gonna get old fast. I love how you're downplaying the skill of all the players from the past four seasons. If it were so easy, why don't you have it? Hmm?

Oh wait you didn't. And they were so easy to get... well, according to you.

Have a nice day.

[Kaisinel]

SE did a lot to fight the win-traders but it's still an issue.

SE actually barely does anything, and nothing note worthy. The only thing they've accomplished every season was making it easier every season to wintrade with their garbage rating/matchmaking system.

Now, people can make alts and unlock every role with 1 jump potion to wintraders/throw even harder now. SE will continue to ignore wintrading/throwing because they don't monitor PvP and they simply don't care. People need to come to this realization already, it'll never change and they have proven time and time again.

The only people actively watching and stopping wintraders is the actual player base. Anyone who actually PvPs in this game knows this.