What's up with healers not healing?

[SuperZay]

Yeah, and again, wea re not talking about worlds first or raid groups overall.
Its about random groups in dungeons, trials and ex modes.

No matter what your job is, there's no excuse if you don't use 1/3 of your skills. By your logic SMN or RDM should never rez, and BRD should never Palisade or Troubadour because they are 'dps'. They are there only to attack!

[Myrhn]

You'll hit enrage even with best dps on last raids without healers/tanks help until you are overgeared or with echo. Lazy healers don't get clears until months later, when dps are geared enough to compensate for lacking party damage they refuse to provide. And chances are... the best dps will not want a static with 0 dps healers.

U dont need overgear to clear the last raid u need to be at the recomended ilvl if not u have to compensate. Why i have to carry a bad dps under 3.5k dps?

[Rasylia]

No matter what your job is, there's no excuse if you don't use 1/3 of your skills. By your logic SMN or RDM should never rez, and BRD should never Palisade or Troubadour because they are 'dps'. They are there only to attack!

Stop putting words into my mouth.
Your inability to stay on topic is saddening.

[loreleidiangelo]

U dont need overgear to clear the last raid u need to be at the recomended ilvl if not u have to compensate. Why i have to carry a bad dps under 3.5k dps?

You don't need to overgear OS4, no (obviously world first on the first day proved that). But your healers better DPS their nuts off if you don't make that gear check.

We killed O3S last night JUUUUUST before the boss enraged and that was with me putting out almost 1k DPS and our WHM putting out almost 1.2k DPS. I'll be frank, I hate how the healing checks even in Savage are so mediocre that I can do that, but you won't hear me say that I'm not glad I was good enough of a player to be able to, because we wouldn't have cleared it otherwise.

[Seismic]

Funny, it used to be "why are healers not dpsing". This is the main reason you have so many healers not doing their job. If healers don't dps they are "lazy". Healers are for healing, all savage content was designed excluding healer dps.

If healers aren't healing a simple prompt should suffice.

[Myrhn]

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Grats on your win. Again first clear group and serious raiding groups obviously will optimize everything not your average casual player. Now with that dps as a healer how well were your dps?

[BorisDaBlade]

This wasn't about savage healer dps contributions, or even their dps contribution at all. Just the simple fact that over and over again, different RANDOM healers in df, for some reason or another, won't heal after a tank buster.

It's almost like the 2 healer are playing chicken with my hp bar.

[loreleidiangelo]

Grats on your win. Again first clear group and serious raiding groups obviously will optimize everything not your average casual player. Now with that dps as a healer how well were your dps?

Our MCH died twice, but that was about a 400 DPS loss for him compared to his other pulls - nowhere near the 2.2k heals were packing that round. Our NIN and RDM are at about 80% performance from the top, but our SAM seems to struggle a bit (about 1k under the top SAM ATM - again, nowhere near the difference 2.2k extra DPS from heals added).

More to the point, it's not about "carrying bad DPS", it's about "doing whatever it takes to clear". Whether that's peasy normal trials, expert dungeons or trying to kill Stickywhiskers in Uznair before he flees everyone should be doing their best to ensure success. If Square made it so that healers' best path to clear success was pumping out nutso healing every global to deal with absurd HPS requirements, I'd work with that, as would most of the skilled "DPS healers" you see now. But that's not how the game is designed, and sadly right now the best thing you can do as a healer is meet middling scripted HPS requirements and pump out bongos deeps with your copious amounts of downtime. That's all there is to it, whether you're raiding or derping around in the overworld hunting A ranks.

[Paladinleeds]

For me, because I'm trying to weave in the damage (to try and help push phases), I sometimes end up tunnel visioning causing a death. If that happens though, I'll become a lot lesser on the damage dealing and instead be more cautious of healing. I try to push my limits but if things start to go south I will dial it right back. I'll still try to weave in some DPS but it will be a LOT less DPS out of fear of things going south again.

I've especially had problems in dungeons recently because I'm trying to act like a HW SCH as a SB AST... Bloody healer muscle memory... My friend who mains AST was ready to rage hard at me but instead said "You'll adjust in time"

[Risvertasashi]

This wasn't about savage healer dps contributions, or even their dps contribution at all. Just the simple fact that over and over again, different RANDOM healers in df, for some reason or another, won't heal after a tank buster.

It's almost like the 2 healer are playing chicken with my hp bar.

Healing in FFXIV is a sort of damned if you do, damned if you don't kind of game.

Don't DPS? You're a cancerous leech on the party we'll kick just before the last boss.
Do DPS? Better not be a single hiccup in the party.

Now some healers can both DPS and heal skillfully. But let's be honest. A lot of people can't. It's very easy to tunnel vision, particularly coming from other jobs where you can pretty well ignore the party frame off at the edge of the screen there.

So why does this happen? Take people that don't have great capacity for multitasking, tell them what horrible, useless leeches on the party they are for not DPSing (be sure to kick them from parties too) and... bam.