What's up with healers not healing?

[Dogempire]

Lol.

I remember when people used to get pissy at me for not DPSing. It's not that I refused to DPS, it was because their dumb asses were either failing mechanics or they were tanking without the tank stance, back when being in a tank stance actually meant higher defense.

I mean you would have a point about tank stance if the optimal way to play was in tank stance. Back then it was optimal to always have dps stance up, much like it is to dps between healing

[Kikoten]

I mean you would have a point about tank stance if the optimal way to play was in tank stance. Back then it was optimal to always have dps stance up, much like it is to dps between healing

When the tank is getting his ass kicked and I don't have time to DPS? And he throws in a snarky "Nobody likes a healer who doesn't DPS" at the end of the run? I think I do have a point. I can't put into words how stupid it was for the tank to not have tank stance on, and pull half the dungeon. You know what that means? I blink my eyes, and he's down to 10% health.

EDIT: And don't even get me started on the DPS stance. It was annoying.

[Deceptus]

This is exactly why old threads need to be locked.

This thread was over 3.5 YEARS old and someone necro'd it, adding nothing to the conversation that hasn't already been said.

It's forum abuse and shouldn't be tolerated.

[Tlamila]

This is exactly why old threads need to be locked.

This thread was over 3.5 YEARS old and someone necro'd it, adding nothing to the conversation that hasn't already been said.

It's forum abuse and shouldn't be tolerated.

This to be honest. Why are people answering to what others said 4 years ago, in a completely different state of the game, balance, skillsets and all?
Apples and oranges.

[Avatre]

This to be honest. Why are people answering to what others said 4 years ago, in a completely different state of the game, balance, skillsets and all?
Apples and oranges.

This is one reason I would advocate the locking(not deleting or archiving, but just locking from responses) threads that are from a previous expansion, especially when the topic of the thread has VASTLY changed.

[HyoMinPark]

This to be honest. Why are people answering to what others said 4 years ago, in a completely different state of the game, balance, skillsets and all?
Apples and oranges.

I mean. With regards to healers DPSing during downtime, that was very much still a thing 3.5 years ago when this thread was made. That didn’t change at all between then and now. They’re still expected to deal damage when healing isn’t required because no piece of content requires 100% healing uptime. Not even Ultimate. It doesn’t even require 50% healing uptime.

[Shofie]

I was in raid recently where someone died and both healers (and a red mage) just...completely ignored the dead person in favor of spamming Glare. Like...I don't care how good your DPS is as a healer, it's not better than that dead DPS just lying there.

I have noticed an outbreak of healers who just tunnel vision real bad and let people die more lately. I feel like it's the eventual product of "healers who don't dps are bad healers", tbh.

[Shanst]

I was in raid recently where someone died and both healers (and a red mage) just...completely ignored the dead person in favor of spamming Glare. Like...I don't care how good your DPS is as a healer, it's not better than that dead DPS just lying there.

I have noticed an outbreak of healers who just tunnel vision real bad and let people die more lately. I feel like it's the eventual product of "healers who don't dps are bad healers", tbh.

Without being there I wouldn't know, but I can tell you if someone is a repeat offender of standing in bad they don't deserve my mana to raise and are better off dead and saving a swiftcast raise for someone more useful.

[Granyala]

I was in raid recently where someone died and both healers (and a red mage) just...completely ignored the dead person in favor of spamming Glare. Like...I don't care how good your DPS is as a healer, it's not better than that dead DPS just lying there.

Umm if it's a dude that dies in every 3rd mechanic and has maximum weakness, there is no way he will out DPS me.
So yeah: at some point I will stop rezzing. I figure it's of more educational use when he can lie there and take the time to observe how others handle the mechanics.

This to be honest. Why are people answering to what others said 4 years ago, in a completely different state of the game, balance, skillsets and all?
Apples and oranges.

Except it only got worse. Back then you had to make the conscious decision to go into "DPS stance" and assess whether the tank will survive the ~7-9 seconds until you would be able to heal again, depending on CD availability.

These days, the content requires even less healing (savage excluded) on top of SE simplifying the damage to a point that even a seasoned healer like me has a hard time from keeping the mind from wandering and thus the problem of healers tunnel visioning is just as relevant today as it was 3.5yrs ago.

Tank buster incoming, heal, then dps.

Correction (outside of savage): "Tankbuster" incoming, chuckle and keep DPSing.

Seriously, my tank buddy and I always mock the so called tank busters in non raid content.

[Liam_Harper]

I was in raid recently where someone died and both healers (and a red mage) just...completely ignored the dead person in favor of spamming Glare. Like...I don't care how good your DPS is as a healer, it's not better than that dead DPS just lying there.

If both healers Swiftcasts were down, blame the RDM. If I'm healing and my Swift is, let's say 12 sec away and I have a co-heal and RDM in the group it's silly for me to hardcast. There's also the question of whether a window is open, even on Normal you sometimes don't get 8 sec windows for a while in-between healing and dodging mechanics. Sure, Glare-> Glare-> dodge mechanic -> Glare -> Glare -> heal raidwide might look lazy but stick a Raise anywhere in there and I'm getting either getting hit by the mechanic or the raidwide isn't being healed. Headless chicken Medica II -> Raise -> get hit by mechanic -> panic Bene myself -> Panic spam Cure III -> Medica II the raidwide -> headless chicken a bit more, would probably earn 4 comms though :l