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    waifugenerator's Avatar
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    Lore behind AF3 and job abilities

    I liked that the AF3/weapon/final ability are attached to Job quests now but I feel sort of bummed that there's no explanation for any of it. Even the AF2 had some information from Seika.

    It's not explained how we get our final ability either or what it really is. For example, why/how can Summoner finally summon Demi-Bahamut? What is Demi-Bahamut?
    I guess it'll all be explained in the next lore book but I wish there was a way to learn about it noooOOOooow (
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    Trpimir Ratyasch
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    I've only done DRK and SAM, so those two are the only ones I can comment on.

    DRK
    It's implied that Blackest Night is invoked using memories of Haurchefant and/or Ysayle, based on Myste's last line before disappearing and some other context in the quest line.


    SAM
    The technique you learn from the 70 quest, Guren, is probably an imitation of a technique you see Ugetsu using during the Battle at Bekko. Since you both trained under Musosai, it would make sense you'd be able to use the same ability.


    As for the AF gear and weapon... whoooo knows...? You just kind of get the chest with the items from nowhere, so I'm not gonna think about it too hard. (Still hoping they eventually let me upgrade and dye it. I might switch back to maining DRK if they do.)
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    Trpimir Ratyasch's Way Status (7.3 - End)
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    "There is no hope in stubbornly clinging to the past. It is our duty to face the future and march onward, not retreat inward." -Sovetsky Soyuz, Azur Lane: Snowrealm Peregrination

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    RDM AF is the Crimson Duelist uniform so the NPC probably thought you're worthy enough to wear it.
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    Life of the Dragon implies you're tapping into Nidhoggs aether. BoTD imbued with Dravanian aether but we have never tapped into Nidhogg aether fully, despite being atuned to his eye from 30-69. Estinien gained the full gaze of Nidhoggs eye during the lv50 quest. It's assumed we gain his full gaze by using Dravanian power e.g. Mirage Dive.

    Dragon Gaze allows you to impart a bit of this power to enhance you and your ally.

    Nastrond is imbuing your Geirskogul (a release of concentrated Dravanian aether) with Nidhoggs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonnycbad View Post
    Life of the Dragon implies you're tapping into Nidhoggs aether. BoTD imbued with Dravanian aether but we have never tapped into Nidhogg aether fully, despite being atuned to his eye from 30-69. Estinien gained the full gaze of Nidhoggs eye during the lv50 quest. It's assumed we gain his full gaze by using Dravanian power e.g. Mirage Dive.

    Dragon Gaze allows you to impart a bit of this power to enhance you and your ally.

    Nastrond is imbuing your Geirskogul (a release of concentrated Dravanian aether) with Nidhoggs.
    Related to that, I can't help but note that there are 4 eyes that need to be looking at you to enter LotD as a DRG, and there are only 4 living First Brood currently. I'm sure that's not a coincidence. Makes me wonder if DRG will eventually gain something like "Gaze of the Father" where Middy bestows a sliver of his power upon you or something.

    As for WAR:

    Inner Release seems to be similar to the SAM Guren stuff Cilia mentioned earlier in that you don't specifically learn something, but the final battle has Curious Gorge and Dorgono connect themselves, via their love, to destroy a great enemy, in the process fully unleashing their innermost feelings for one another. So if Unchained is taking the leash off the beast, allowing for full damage while under Defiance, then Inner Release is letting the beast out to run wild. All your feelings and emotions laid bare and poured into destroying whoever threatens you and yours.
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    I'm wondering what Foul could be. It looks to be an Umbral aligned spell but it grants/requires neither UI/AF. I was thinking it could have something to do with releasing Dark aether that's built up from maintaining enochian from the Gem of Shatotto since a black crystalline structure appears during the animation. But the gem is way too big to be the soulstone so idk :/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cilia View Post
    I've only done DRK and SAM, so those two are the only ones I can comment on.

    SAM
    The technique you learn from the 70 quest, Guren, is probably an imitation of a technique you see Ugetsu using during the Battle at Bekko. Since you both trained under Musosai, it would make sense you'd be able to use the same ability.


    As for the AF gear and weapon... whoooo knows...? You just kind of get the chest with the items from nowhere, so I'm not gonna think about it too hard. (Still hoping they eventually let me upgrade and dye it. I might switch back to maining DRK if they do.)
    I wouldn't be too surprised if the SAM set used to be Ugetsu's, since Musosai wore the same robe in a different color. The katana is weird just because I think it's the same model that Hien uses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by waifugenerator View Post
    For example, why/how can Summoner finally summon Demi-Bahamut? What is Demi-Bahamut?
    One of the main themes of the SMN arc was extending the limitations of arcane geometries utilized in evoking avatars by utilizing the high-speed computations of a machine, thus allowing the summoning of more "authentic" egi. I had assumed that Demi-Bahamut was the Warrior of Light's first crack at trying out a calculator; though I'm not sure how they overcame the aetherial limitation. Perhaps somewhere between LV58 and LV70 our life force's reserves were increased (Do we blame the advanced blessing of Light? Or just that we have more MP? lol).

    The AF3 origins can be difficult to pin down, but the SMN one seems easy enough; Sari was the last great summoner of Allag, so the gear is from as high of a summoner as you could get from as late in the Empire as we've seen.

    In the SCH scenario we actually find a set of gear from a SCH that infiltrated Amdapor; it was sealed inside of a mana idol, implying that this too was very late in the era, as Amdapor's golems were intricately carved and ornate until they didn't have the time to do it, anymore.

    Did we ... steal their clothes? Or did we just go home and custom order a set based on what we saw? lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by waifugenerator View Post
    It's not explained how we get our final ability either or what it really is. For example, why/how can Summoner finally summon Demi-Bahamut? What is Demi-Bahamut?
    Perhaps I'm misremembering, but isn't the whole point of the SMN job quest storyline is that Prin is testing you to see if you're worthy of passing on knowledge to? And, after you finally unlock the seal Sari placed on Prin, Prin DOES bestow that knowledge on you - which I assumed was the knowledge on how to summon Demi-Bahamut. I mean, he lights you up with a glow and everything to acknowledge that he's unlocked your power.

    I agree that many final abilities DON'T really get a reasonable explanation (especially PLD, given the whole twist at the end with the book of techniques that was supposed to be the prize for the tournament), but SMN, I felt, was one that did.
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    Considering that summoning Demi-Bahamut requires you to first activate Dreadwyrm Trance and replaces your egi when summoned, I got the impression that you're just temporarily infusing your current egi with Bahamut's residual aether like you do with yourself when using trance. So it's less like overcoming the hard limit that stops us from summonig a proper Bahamut-Egi and more like learning how to better get around it.
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