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    Quote Originally Posted by SwdVengeance View Post
    There are times when you'll actually want to blow dual on a Jolt/Impact. Granted I admit this situation is usually rare, depending on how the math lines up on your bars, a Jolt/Impact is optimal to get as close to 100/99 before dumping it. Lining up that perfect double Enchanted Redoublement while Embolden is up has a pretty narrow range on those mana bars and sometimes you just need those extra 3/4 points in both to hit it.
    Well that alone makes my idea a bad one. :P
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    This reminds me of the gutter gates at bowling alleys.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zigabar View Post
    This reminds me of the gutter gates at bowling alleys.
    Yeah no. I was under the impression that simplicity was the goal of the development what with condensing skills and making jobs more accessible by those inexperienced in a job. Your analogy is more akin to something like having training wheels on a bike where I consider it more of a quality of life change to Dualcast. Now a flaw was pointed out for my idea and someone did offer an alternative.

    I don't think we're having the same discussion here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CupDeNoodles View Post
    Yeah no. I was under the impression that simplicity was the goal of the development what with condensing skills and making jobs more accessible by those inexperienced in a job. Your analogy is more akin to something like having training wheels on a bike where I consider it more of a quality of life change to Dualcast. Now a flaw was pointed out for my idea and someone did offer an alternative.

    I don't think we're having the same discussion here.
    Youre asking to baby proof the job. It is already very simple. Basic math is all rdm takes. Once you get the basics down you can increase your dps by incorporating swiftcast, using your corps/displacement to manipulate mechanics, using manashift to extend foes, casting vercure during awkward look aways or boss invulnerabilities and other little potency gains. Once you level it, you'd understand why it is alright to be as it is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dualgunner View Post
    It would be cool if the UI element reflected Dualcast being up in some way so I don't have to search my buff bar but SwdVengeance has a good point--sometimes it's advantageous to cast jolt 2/impact.
    Have you considered adjusting your UI? I have my buff bar, gauge, and my impact/verfire/verstone/verflare/verholy buttons all located in the same 2 or 3 inch square of my screen so that I just have to glance down at a single spot to know exactly whatever I need to about my resources, procs, buffs at any given time.

    There is a distinct difference between 'simplifying' a job and dumbing it down and this kind of thing really feels like the latter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CupDeNoodles View Post
    Yeah no. I was under the impression that simplicity was the goal of the development what with condensing skills and making jobs more accessible by those inexperienced in a job. Your analogy is more akin to something like having training wheels on a bike where I consider it more of a quality of life change to Dualcast. Now a flaw was pointed out for my idea and someone did offer an alternative.

    I don't think we're having the same discussion here.
    I would suggest the Crystal on the gauge turn the colour of dc so people can look over.
    Otherwise...I dunno what to tell you. I guess pay more attention? The job is already pretty easy...
    The dc symbol pops up when ready, right in your face and it makes a sound.
    I sometimes mess up dc when I'm pressing really fast so I just have to be more careful.
    Quote Originally Posted by dinnertime View Post
    But the purpose of that crystal is to see if your black and white mana are balanced or else it'll change to the color of what's excessive.
    Oh I didn't know what it did honestly lol.
    I just watched my numbers.
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    Last edited by Jybril; 08-02-2017 at 12:02 PM.

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    I don't see the point of an indicator from the job UI for Dualcast because it's always around after you cast something and the loss from accidentally using Dualcast on a Jolt, Impact, Verstone and Verfire is honestly minimal unless you somehow do it over and over and over again.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jybril View Post
    I would suggest the Crystal on the gauge turn the colour of dc so people can look over.
    But the purpose of that crystal is to see if your black and white mana are balanced or else it'll change to the color of what's excessive.
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    It's annoying to "waste" dualcast , but this is part of your job as player to not get over enthused about punching buttons and mess up. It happens to everyone eventually just take it in stride.
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    It's not that horrible for your dps if you screw up and dualcast Jolt II. Yeah it's a stupid thing to do, but you're not going to suffer much from it.

    RDM is already a terribly forgiving and non-complex job, they don't need to completely baby proof it. They have to leave room for some rotational mistakes.

    This thread reads as "I screwed up my rotation slightly, please make that impossible"

    Dualcasting Jolt is sometimes useful even. An example is a time when you need to be standing away from the group, and your mana is ready for melee combo, but you don't want to cap it out and screw up your verholy/verflare (and impact would put it too high). Or when you jolt once and your mana is at say 78/79 and you just need to push it over to get to your melee combo sooner.
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    Last edited by Averax; 08-02-2017 at 12:18 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Averax View Post
    It's not that horrible for your dps if you screw up and dualcast Jolt II. Yeah it's a stupid thing to do, but you're not going to suffer much from it.

    RDM is already a terribly forgiving and non-complex job, they don't need to completely baby proof it. They have to leave room for some rotational mistakes.

    This thread reads as "I screwed up my rotation slightly, please make that impossible"
    Rough, but yeah lol.
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