Blood Price feels underwhemling

[Capn_Goggles]

And that niche is exactly what SE is trying to stamp out, so I doubt that Blood Price will ever be restored. They despise the full dungeon pulls. And since that was a skill tailor made for those sorts of dungeons... away Blood Price goes.

By this point, they might as well make it an MP restore that bypasses the Darkside effect, because the yield isn't even a fraction close to being worth it.

Of course they despise it, they've made every effort to kneecap the tactic as much as possible; the end result of course being that nothing changes and it just makes everything more tedious for no apparent reason, the same as many such changes. Mitigating a dungeon by draining the life from the enemies is Dark Knight as all hell, and a very interesting way of differentiating them from other tanks. Shame that they're biased against many of the ways tank players try to entertain themselves in their otherwise dull role.

[RitsukoSonoda]

And that niche is exactly what SE is trying to stamp out, so I doubt that Blood Price will ever be restored. They despise the full dungeon pulls. And since that was a skill tailor made for those sorts of dungeons... away Blood Price goes.

By this point, they might as well make it an MP restore that bypasses the Darkside effect, because the yield isn't even a fraction close to being worth it.

Looking at DRK's initial kit when it came out in HW it seemed tailor made for this niche figuring it had an Centered AoE enmity skill that dealt damage, A linear AoE skill that did damage and could blind, and a targeted AoE skill that drained HP. It really felt to me like the go to tank for larger groups of enemies because it could very easily build enmity on all of them with very little concern for stray targets.

If SE wants to get rid of that niche they need to find a new solution or kit on how they want DRK to play out before doing things to try and remove the niche because its about the same as wanting to do performance mods on your car and gutting out all the stock parts long before you have even purchased the new parts that were supposed to replace them

[DWolfwood]

If SE wants to get rid of that niche they need to find a new solution or kit on how they want DRK to play out before doing things to try and remove the niche because its about the same as wanting to do performance mods on your car and gutting out all the stock parts long before you have even purchased the new parts that were supposed to replace them

I personally favor this greatly. Being an AoE king is such a marginal niche. Dungeons are face roll easy, so until they start making AoE a big part of raid, it's not worth making a tank's expertise be this.

That said, what you said about it not making sense to remove without replacing is exactly what they did with most of DRK's HW kit in SB...

[Tint]

So. checking out DRK after SB and seeing what they did with the MP recovery from blood price

I figure since atm out of the 3 tanks DRK has the fewest options for baseline mitigation by observation so far because it feels like about half of DRK's mitigation skills were removed with no real compensation they need to atleast revert blood price's MP recovery per hit back to the ratio it used in HW. This would atleast create a niche for it tanking large groups of enemies since they'd be able to go back to mitigating damage on large pulls through drained HP with repeated use of DA+AD they could sit in until SE does something to actually fix the problem they created for the job trying to simplify the combat flow.

as i explained earlier in this topic, DRK already has gotten his niche back, but not until he hits lvl 64 and learns Quietus.

Blood price > Blood > Quietus > Mana > Darks Arts + Abyssal Drain

with enough enemys Blood Price revovers enough blood to spam Quietus and also with enough enemys Quietus recovers enough mana to spam Dark Arts + Abyssal Drain.

compared to HW they just added more button bloat and unnecessary complexity (wich is the whole opposite of what they wanted to achieve with SB), all for the sake of having a job gauge.

[Accelerating]

as i explained earlier in this topic, DRK already has gotten his niche back, but not until he hits lvl 64 and learns Quietus.

Blood price > Blood > Quietus > Mana > Darks Arts + Abyssal Drain

with enough enemys Blood Price revovers enough blood to spam Quietus and also with enough enemys Quietus recovers enough mana to spam Dark Arts + Abyssal Drain.

compared to HW they just added more button bloat and unnecessary complexity (wich is the whole opposite of what they wanted to achieve with SB), all for the sake of having a job gauge.

Too bad AoE pulling with Blood Weapon and Quietus is way better and gives you even more mana back.

[Tint]

Too bad AoE pulling with Blood Weapon and Quietus is way better and gives you even more mana back.

really? blood weapon gives only blood and mana when used with physical attacks, but all the aoe's are magic based. so you have to single target for blood and mana in these huge pulls o.ô;

[Ekimmak]

really? blood weapon gives only blood and mana when used with physical attacks, but all the aoe's are magic based. so you have to single target for blood and mana in these huge pulls o.ô;

Quietus IS a physical attack that receives MP gain from blood weapon.

But it also burns 50 blood gauge, and I'm not sure I'd want to take on a group large enough to see MP profit outside of grit.

[Capn_Goggles]

Quietus IS a physical attack that receives MP gain from blood weapon.

But it also burns 50 blood gauge, and I'm not sure I'd want to take on a group large enough to see MP profit outside of grit.

It's rather ballsy, but generally for larger groups you can establish enmity in grit, drop and through shadow wall up to hold yourself over until you can start cycling your moves. If your DPS and healer are decent, then it's a superior tactic, however if your healer is sub-par or watching netflix it's probably a death sentence.

[347SPECTRE]

In larger pulls you're probably going to be hitting TBN a few times, which should help with Blood gain. Most times I'm dumping Blood and MP during pulls on DA +AD and Quietus.