PSA: Potentially dangerous loophole in SE stance on Savage PF chest message.

[Xellos2099]

I understand I might be opening a very dangerous can of worms but people must be warn about this. A few days ago I made a thread about no warning on potential 1 chest because of no notification and this is the official forum respond.

Greetings,
Thank you for the feedback. We appreciate your input and understand that these situations can be quite frustrating. We have forwarded this concern and your suggestions to the dev. team for consideration.
We'd also like to clarify a few points for reference: As mentioned in the 4.05 patch notes and high-end Duty Finder text, if your party contains players replaying a floor of Savage prior to the weekly reset, the number of treasure coffers appearing upon completion will decrease. To avoid this, party leaders should select "Duty Completion" as the Purpose when using the high-end Duty Finder to queue. With this setting, those who have already completed will not be matched (when queuing with an incomplete party), and the amount of treasure coffers will not decrease. If you are unable to queue your party with Duty Completion selected, it is possible that a party member has already received a weekly reward for that duty, or does not meet the matching requirements. The "Practice" option in the high-end Duty Finder is designated for players who have not yet completed the raid content and for those who have completed but wish to practice and teach new players.
Please continue to share any feedback and suggestions you may have regarding the Duty Finder and Savage loot systems.

I just think of something dangerous. ALL of this hange on the honesty of the party leader, but what if the leader is in on it. People can easily be screw out of both chest if people have the will to do it. All it take is leader and 4 of his friends decide to screw people over and there is no way to know who.

With only party leader get notification this can get bad... fast. Please schedule an maintenance asap and change it so the entire party will know if they will receive 1 or 2 or 0 chest.

[Jybril]

They should fix this immediately or in 4.1.

[Lyrai_Celestine]

I just think of something dangerous. ALL of this hange on the honesty of the party leader, but what if the leader is in on it. People can easily be screw out of both chest if people have the will to do it. All it take is leader and 4 of his friends decide to screw people over and there is no way to know who.

With only party leader get notification this can get bad... fast. Please schedule an maintenance asap and change it so the entire party will know if they will receive 1 or 2 or 0 chest.

Imo, I disagree. This could cause some discomfort within, despite being good on paper. First and foremost, this doesn't mean everyone is dishonest. One player / group can't really make the incentive to implement this feature. Next, it can also be a source of discord; just like parsers and class preferences. If they were to implement this, there would be a popular trend where people only accept 2-chests in all parties, at all times, and will induce hate on anyone who doesn't even know what's happening, and it's bad for the community in the long run because people then forget how to forgive others for their mistakes.

If you have a problem with these, just be a party leader. And be the good person in the community instead.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Imo, I disagree. This could cause some discomfort within, despite being good on paper. First and foremost, this doesn't mean everyone is dishonest. One player / group can't really make the incentive to implement this feature. Next, it can also be a source of discord; just like parsers and class preferences. If they were to implement this, there would be a popular trend where people only accept 2-chests in all parties, at all times, and will induce hate on anyone who doesn't even know what's happening, and it's bad for the community in the long run because people then forget how to forgive others for their mistakes.

If you have a problem with these, just be a party leader. And be the good person in the community instead.

That... doesn't make any sense.

The discord derives from player(s) lying about their weekly status either by intent or carelessness. Either results in punishment for the other players who have no means of checking themselves. Potential two chest parties has little to do with mechanical awareness as people will be upset regardless should you join a party clearly labeled and have little to know idea what you're doing. As for the possibility of two chests becoming a trend. So? The whole point is an option; those who value gambling with potentially new or lesser skilled players versus those willing to accept a lost chest or two by opening up their party to others who have cleared. Why shouldn't they have that choice? Your whole point hinges on... well, nothing really. It's bad for the community people can willfully deceive others and screw them out of loot? Yeah, it's pretty bad. Therefore, a system should be in place to prevent it.

[Xellos2099]

That... doesn't make any sense.

Therefore, a system should be in place to prevent it.

There was a system in place.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

There was a system in place.

It's still a cumbersome solution, and wholly dependent on the PF leader. What should be added in one of the following patch updates is an option to check whether you'll allow players who have previously acquired loot, just as how you can now prevent players with bonus from joining your party.

[Xellos2099]

I mean naturally people want to have 2 chest party in weekly party. People only want 1 or no chest closer to the end of the week or need clear clearing a run. Not to mention there was warnign to every party memeber before

[Zeonsilt]

I've already seen people talking about how to ruin "2 chests reward for others" in pretty big Discord chat groups/etc.
I hope they will adress this in 4.06 or, at least, in 4.1.

[Exiled_Tonberry]

If you have a problem with these, just be a party leader. And be the good person in the community instead.

There's a difference between being a supportive member of the community, and being gullible and having everyone trample over not only yours, but potentially 6 other people's rewards.

If the party leader and others want a 2 chest party, they shouldn't have to deal with a 1 chest or no chest group just because someone couldn't be bothered to pay attention.

The casual side of this community is babied way too much by both the players and SE. And I probably sound like an ass saying this, but I've had one too many hour long dungeon runs because no one bothered to learn how to play the game before entering dungeons.

[Xellos2099]

I mean back in 3.x the entire party will get the warning of how many chest there will be if cleared. Now only leader will have it