Most challenging and wanted DPS class?

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Despite what people say, managing your Kenki and GCDs right is hard. It is punishing if you screw up your rotation, because every lost Kenki is lost dps. It is punishing to let your buffs fall off or use Hagakure a few seconds too late. Dps loss again. Clip your abilities and dps loss again. All that while paying attention to mechanics, and you are always right on the boss having to hit your main positionals to generate the most Kenki.

The best Samurais out there, one of them currently teaching me, is doing 5.3k in O3S. That is an insane number and required dozens of runs and hours on training your rotation in high end content, as well as knowing exactly how to exploit uptime.

No offense, but you either lack Savage or melee experience. The DPS losses on mismanaged Kenki or Shifu/Jinpu buffs are negligible unless it's consistent. Outside the opener, Samurai's base rotation is incredibly simplified and Kenki management boils down to spam Shinten whenever above 60. You cannot cite clipping or rotation hiccups since both impact the other melee, albeit far more severely. Fat finger your rotation on DRG and you lose two GCDs or bunny your murdas—the latter of which needs to be executed quickly lest you lose uptime not attacking. Dropping Greased Lightning, Huton or Blood of the Dragon is absolutely brutal, with all three jobs losing a massive amount of damage if it can't be refreshed quickly. Samurai, comparatively, has no such issue. Even death impacts it the least due to its minimal build up requirements. Ninja can recast Huton, but not only does that hurt its damage more so, the entire raid suffers since now Trick Attack is put off an extra 20 seconds. Dragoons and Monks, meanwhile, would rather just stay dead and beg the party to wipe, especially Monk.

Samurais pulling 3.5k now are simply bad or inexperienced players. It speaks nothing to the complexity of the job or lack thereof as they would pull comparatively low numbers on any job. For reference sake, I pulled 3.2k on my second Alte Roite clear with two deaths and wearing mostly 310 gear.

[AmaSagahl]

No offense, but you either lack Savage or melee experience.

Yes, that's right. No offense taken. I started playing 3-4 months ago with Monk and then switched to Samurai right at level 50 - so no, I had no experience in Savage before.
But I disagree - mismanaged Kenki and buffs cost you a lot of dps. I have spent hours on the dummy, and it ranges between 4.2k with mismanaged kenki and buffs to less screw ups 4.8k to a perfect rotation like my mentor does - 5.5k.

I also disagree that every inexperienced player would pull low numbers on any job. There are better classes to start off than Samurai. I levelled RDM for a while and it was a walk in the park compared - I just didn't enjoy it. But of course, you are right that melee experience plays a role - exploiting the uptime is what makes a huge difference in your dps.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Yes, that's right. No offense taken. I started playing 3-4 months ago with Monk and then switched to Samurai right at level 50 - so no, I had no experience in Savage before.
But I disagree - mismanaged Kenki and buffs cost you a lot of dps. I have spent hours on the dummy, and it ranges between 4.2k with mismanaged kenki and buffs to less screw ups 4.8k to a perfect rotation like my mentor does - 5.5k.

I also disagree that every inexperienced player would pull low numbers on any job. There are better classes to start off than Samurai. I levelled RDM for a while and it was a walk in the park compared - I just didn't enjoy it. But of course, you are right that melee experience plays a role - exploiting the uptime is what makes a huge difference in your dps.

I mean comparatively to its melee counterparts. Both will impact you if consistently mismanaged, but the occasional slip won't cause a huge loss towards your DPS. Likewise, it's comparatively easier to manage Kenki whereas misjudging Huton and allowing it to fall off severely impacts you and/or the raid.

As for other jobs, I was only comparing Samurai against the other three melee. With more experience, especially if you start to dabble in other jobs more, I suspect you'll find Samurai isn't that hard to manage. And I don't say any of this to discourage your own performance. Just speaking from someone who has played all four melee, albeit Monk I haven't taken into Savage yet.