Dear Healers who don't DPS

[Kurando]

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So where exactly does it say that it's everyone's responsibility to do such things? Is there some strict small print that I missed that states players need to adhere to it? Nah, that's what I thought. You can often get the same results without using everything at one's disposal, I assume you are capable of that occasionally, hmm?
Every class has actions that allow them to branch from their designated role, but this is not an expectation nor should it be enforced. The idea of being effective works in some situations but you are missing the point that everyone has their own play style and it is not for us to police or dictate what they do. This is going back to OP who only wants DPSing healers so they can have quick run, it's like someone asking to watch the cutscenes in 8man MSQ but being told to use the PF. It's essentially the same situation in that if you want a run to go a certain way, going in to DF and expecting everyone to play your own way comes across as arrogant. At the end of the day whether it's effective or not, there are more than one person in the party and success can be obtained without crying about a little lack of DPS. Sure that clears that up, but no doubt some unnecessary comment coming up...

[Deceptus]

So where exactly does it say that it's everyone's responsibility to do such things?

It's implied when you're part of a team, you do things to benefit the team.

This is going back to OP who only wants DPSing healers so they can have quick run,

No, I'm asking for all players to use their full kit and not be lazy. A faster run is the result of that.

[Miste]

So where exactly does it say that it's everyone's responsibility to do such things? Is there some strict small print that I missed that states players need to adhere to it? Nah, that's what I thought.

I'll never understand why some people don't want to help their DF team as much as possible. If you can do something to help your whole team...why wouldn't you? I always DPS on healer as much as I am capable of with the group I get...since I want to do everything I can to help my team and I have the spells available to do so. Especially without the old Cleric Stance... throwing out a few DoTs and DPS spells is much easier.

Some people are not skilled enough to DPS on healer and heal or are very uncomfortable which is fine (it also depends on group composition and the tank's gear/cooldown efficiency), but it is the ones that obviously could be using a few DPS spells sometimes and aren't which is disheartening..you know the ones who stand in place staring for upwards of a whole minute and the tank isn't even taking damage or jump around when there is nothing to heal...those two spacebar or triangle presses could have been used to swiftcast just even one Holy or Gravity etc.

It isn't about speeding up the run..it's just...about contributing as much as you personally are capable of instead of sitting and doing nothing; if you can help why wouldn't you help? Even if it is just a few DPS spells here and there.

[HyoMinPark]

So where exactly does it say that it's everyone's responsibility to do such things? Is there some strict small print that I missed that states players need to adhere to it?

Mmm. I'm pretty sure that there's an instance in the Hall of Novice that discusses healers using offensive spells whenever they aren't having to heal a party member.
You're part of a team; standing around and not contributing when there is little to no outgoing damage to heal is not effective. Nor it is you being a team player. Obviously if the tank is tanking damage like there's no tomorrow, do what you have to do to keep him alive. But if he's barely being tickled by mobs or a boss, please don't just stand around. Throw some stones.

And to refer to the rest of your comment, while it may be your sub and you dictate how you want to play, the majority of the party can also decide that your playstyle is just not in agreement with theirs. Differences in playstyle has been stated as a valid reason for dismissal multiple times before by the GMs. Speaking in terms of "branching out from designated roles": I main bard. My primary function is my red icon: dealing damage. But, SE gave me all these awesome support abilities, and I am supposed to--and expected to--use them. A bard that does not support their party is not worthy of being a bard. And the same goes for any other job with support skills.

Healers have the skills to keep people alive, and they also have the skills to take enemies down. Use both. To not make use of your full toolkit is just subpar play. Why play at only 50%?

Dear SE, please Nerf healer dps and shut this argument down once and for all. Plzkthnx.

And if SE did this, I would effectively stop rolling healer in content. I do not like having to stand around and just wait for someone to take damage. I prefer to be active as much as possible, be it by healing, by DPSing, and preferably, by both.

[Phoenicia]

It's not a DPS's responsibility to heal or tank (some of them do have the kit for it), so how is it that a healer HAS to DPS just because it's available to them. First and foremost the healer has to heal, with DPS being optional. Also how is it being lazy just because you want to be selfish and have "faster runs"? It's not difficult to ask a healer when a duty starts if they can DPS more, but they are under no obligation to be dictated by the tank. Heal yourself if you want faster runs or use Party Finder, simple stuff bub.

I was bored and browsing this thread, then I came with this post with rather... backwards logic (no offence meant to poster in any form).

So, it is not a DPS's responsibility to manage aggro or help the group's survival.. Hence, I won't use Deiversion/Lucid Dreaming, I will run ahead of tank and pull because it increases MY DPS!!! I won't dodge any AoE because it reduces MY DPS!! And since MY DPS is MY RESPONSIBILITY, I will kick the healer and tank that don't adjust to my DPS needs. I won't adjust to mechanics even if it wipes the group because it would lower my DPS which is my sole responsibility.

See how idiotic that sounds?

Just as group survival is a "group effort", group aggro and fight mechanics are "group efforts", so should killing things faster be a "group effort". The whole group should contribute towards the objective of "winning".

~ Phoenicia ~

[Maeka]

*enters dungeon*
*Tank mashes sprint button and grabs 3 packs of mobs*
*I catch up to the almost dead tank and give him Benediction*
*I get locked into chain-casting Cure2, not having enough time or MP to do anything else*

How again was I supposed to DPS?

[Bourne_Endeavor]

*enters dungeon*
*Tank mashes sprint button and grabs 3 packs of mobs*
*I catch up to the almost dead tank and give him Benediction*
*I get locked into chain-casting Cure2, not having enough time or MP to do anything else*

How again was I supposed to DPS?

The DPS meta is a bit misleading. The general rule people follow is to Always. Be. Casting; your ABCs if you will.

If I do the mega pull in Shisui or Ala Mhigo, I don't expect any DPS from you otherwise, I'll die within seconds. If you're able to plan ahead and set up Swiftcast -> Holy -> Aero III while I have Hallowed or Living up, I'll love you for it, but I certainly don't expect it from DF. That's a bit more of a raider mentality. It's the people who stand around while at near full MP that annoy others. And that ire isn't reserved for healers. It drives me up the wall whenever I see a DPS who won't aoe during mass pulls, especially those bigger ones because I know the healer and I simply won't have the CDs to survive if things aren't dying. Had that exact scenario happen in The Vault just the other day. Neither DPS focused those gaints down and one never aoe'd, which eventually killed the healer since she couldn't stop healing me to spam aoe heals. DPS's response? "Samurai does more damage on single targets."

Yeah...

I will second this, or at least the flipside: I only do a minimum amount of DPS, but I keep the tank above 50% most of the dungeon, I don't wait until he's 30% or less to start casting, and I only throw some stones during the last 2 or so mobs and only an Aero III near the beginning (I usually Benison the tank to give me enough time to safely land Aero III before the Cure spam starts) and I routinely walk away with 3/3 or 2/3 comms (unless the tank is exceptional, that is).

People in random DF groups seem to enjoy a healer who pays more attention to HP meters than their personal DPS parses. Now, granted, I don't do absolutely zero damage at all, I try to get at least a little in, but I'm not trying to maximize or any of that crap. I'm just keeping people alive and helping out wherever I deem it is safe to which is, you know, my job?

Just a coincidence, really. People generally default to healers or tanks for their comms. I routinely get 2-3 and I'm a very aggressive healer. I've let tanks drop to three digits because I'm timing Benediction, though that isn't usually intention. 10-20% though? Yep. I won't even look at a tank before they drop below 50% other then to toss Regen on them.

[cgbspender]

. I routinely get 2-3 and I'm a very aggressive healer. I've let tanks drop to three digits because I'm timing Benediction, though that isn't usually intention. 10-20% though? Yep. I won't even look at a tank before they drop below 50% other then to toss Regen on them.

This is how I proceed as well, but the way you put it is a bit misleading those who would be tempted to try to dps more and end up tunnel-visionning, to whom I'll add this precision :

We do look at the tank HPs - constantly - and at the Damage dealers' HPs - constantly. We also look at the aoes on the ground, all the time, and we do have our eyes on a dangerous enemy or a boss' s castbar to predict when the damage is coming, to decide when and what type of healing is the most appropriate (if any) Besides that, we try to keep an eye out on Damage Dealers 's positionning as well, to precast a cure or anticipate a Tetra / Benison / Bene, if needs be.

This type of agressive healing is not something you wanna try "out of nowhere", in the middle of an expert dungeon. Instead, it's recommended to try at lower levels, and progressively get used to it, so that you can in the end reach that type of surgery-healing.

[Pinkette69]

*enters dungeon*
*Tank mashes sprint button and grabs 3 packs of mobs*
*I catch up to the almost dead tank and give him Benediction*
*I get locked into chain-casting Cure2, not having enough time or MP to do anything else*

How again was I supposed to DPS?

You Hit The Nail On The Head! This is what happens to me 98 percent of the time. I DPS when I can. DPSing by a healer is option...a bonus. DPSing should be Healers Choice.