Remove 60 Boosts for New Players

[Aylis]

A boosted player does not get these benefits. When they jump into a party at level 60, it's their FIRST party. They only have a vague idea of how fights are supposed to pan out, and if they didn't do at least a little research, they're going to do a lot of fumbling around with the many controls at their disposal.

What if it was changed to where skills were granted as dungeon completion rewards instead of level up rewards? Players just starting out as well as players that story/level skipped just have access to the basic skill kit needed to pass the games very first dungeon. In cases of the players that skipped, the dungeons would all be unlocked and all the boring bits skipped, but they would still need to run the early dungeons level syncd at least once to open up new skills in the kit

[Dameron]

I agree 100%. The level boosts should be there for players who have already experienced the game to boost new classes if they so desire, not for newbies to get a free pass to high level content so they can ruin any groups they can get into due to inexperience. Worst case scenario, SE might even nerf content due to newbies like this, who think they can pick up anything and just solo everything like they can in WoW.

[Laerune]

I agree 100%. The level boosts should be there for players who have already experienced the game to boost new classes if they so desire, not for newbies to get a free pass to high level content so they can ruin any groups they can get into due to inexperience. Worst case scenario, SE might even nerf content due to newbies like this, who think they can pick up anything and just solo everything like they can in WoW.

They already nerfed classes. The DPS role has lost most of their damage dealing buffs and some of the mechanics were changed, because most dps players were not able to deal decent damage. Yes, this change is was made with veteran players in mind, but lets not kid ourselves when they made it easier for low skilled players to close the gap with high skilled players, they were thinking off the newcomers.

[Moonlite]

New players don't use the boost. SE says so. SE needs to make money, why you trying to steal their money. It's ok they have a lore reason. No we won't release at stormblood, that might be seen as a pay to win scenario.

It is not going anywhere people argued against for thousands of posts. When it was brought back up that the post had directly misinformed the player base, it was locked. It allows them to be lazy, make money, and has the protection of a fanatical (lore people) portion of the fan base. It is a win win win scenario.

[Clawbriar]

Have you considered these players you're grouped with are just bad?

[Alleo]

They could have at least introduced a kind of "training" dungeon where you are running through it with an NPC that will explain some of the basic mechanics of the bosses and maybe about the basics of your job. It should be mandatory and only those who have another job high enough before the jump should be able to skip it. This way they will at least know some of the markers and one does not have to explain these things in 61+ content.

Yet they have put in this potion without any such training methods. (So just another band aid)

[QueenToffee]

1. I've yet to run into significantly more "bad" players in DF after the boosts. Bad players exist in this game and it has nothing to do with the way they leveled.

2. This has nothing to do with anything. It doesn't affect you in any way.

3. That's an opinion. No one NEEDS to do this. Some people play purely to do stuff with friends and don't have the time to dedicate to leveling because of real life. Not everyone has endless time to sink into the game.

4. SE is a company. Companies want to make money. That's the way of the world.

That being said, boosts didn't affect WoW in any major way either. People pitched huge fits over it but it didn't change anything. Everyone I know that cried about it and "quit" came back a week or two later anyway.

[ChameleonMS]

Jump potions are not the issue. Inexperienced players are not the issue. Bad players are the issue.

OP, you have 4 choices when playing with bad players.
1. Complain and be counter productive.
2. Try and teach to improve the player.
3. Leave and eat your penalty.
4. Vote kick and it will most likely pass.

[Lambdafish]

OP, you have 4 choices when playing with bad players.
1. Complain and be counter productive.
2. Try and teach to improve the player.
3. Leave and eat your penalty.
4. Vote kick and it will most likely pass.

I humbly disagree with this sentiment, you are basically asking the OP to "deal with it" when the devs haven't sufficently designed the jump potion in a way that negates the drawbacks. If this thing is supposed to exist, then so does limitations on the player using it that means that players like the OP don't have a worse game experience because of it.

Yoshi P said improvements are coming, but IMO the jump potion should not have been released until these systems were in place.

[ChameleonMS]

I humbly disagree with this sentiment, you are basically asking the OP to "deal with it" when the devs haven't sufficently designed the jump potion in a way that negates the drawbacks. If this thing is supposed to exist, then so does limitations on the player using it that means that players like the OP don't have a worse game experience because of it.

Yoshi P said improvements are coming, but IMO the jump potion should not have been released until these systems were in place.

What was the excuse before the Jump potion? PotD? FATES? RMT Levelling? All have been true in the past. A bad player is bad player until that player is informed of being such and makes a commitment to not be one. Someone has to take the time to help that player get better. And, that player has to listen and commit learning. If that person does not listen, that person remains a bad player.

Was I always a good player? Nope!!! During my first run Sastasha I was a completely terrible player because I had only done single player stuff until then. A nice enough player took a few minutes to explain things to me. I did my part and tried to apply the imparted knowledge and improve. Complaining about jump potions is just the latest excuse for lazy people that do not know how to deal with bad players.

SE tried and failed to make a difference with the Hall of the Novice. It did not significantly reduce the number of bad players. Why? Because a bad player is bad player until the player desires not to be.