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    Look at me, I want to be a special snowflake and not let anyone else get items that were of trivial difficulty to get anyway.

    How about no, they put a decent price on it, it's a year after the event, that's plenty of time for you to flaunt it on your character over new players. They're just meant to be cool little season things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Areic View Post
    Look at me, I want to be a special snowflake and not let anyone else get items that were of trivial difficulty to get anyway.

    How about no, they put a decent price on it, it's a year after the event, that's plenty of time for you to flaunt it on your character over new players. They're just meant to be cool little season things.
    But here's the thing, the Yo-Kai event (which let's be fair, is likely to end up on the mog station at some point), I was around for it. But I didn't think it worth participating in it. I was of the mindset of "If it comes to the mog station, I'll pick up bits and bats then, if not, no skin off my back", because of the intense FATE grinds it involved. Now, if the prices were jacked up considerably (by a factor of at least 10), then it would change my mind. And I'm usually one to partake in events, and not afraid of a grind. But the rewards themselves, knowing maybe 5-10 years down the line they might go on the mog station, figured "I'll pick up what I want then." I didn't want to do the extreme grind for the Yo-Kai stuff to get both mounts (which from what I hear, was a ridiculous grind that is on relic weapon levels).

    Also, let's bring up RuneScape as an example again. If you miss an event, you will NEVER get those items. Period dot. They don't offer them the following year, they don't put them on a cash shop. To quote Kosmos, "You snooze, you lose".
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    Last edited by Paladinleeds; 07-29-2017 at 04:12 AM.
    White Mage ~ Scholar ~ Paladin
    Quote Originally Posted by Spiroglyph View Post
    Boi if you got kicked for the same thing in over 20 duties I strongly suggest you think hard on whatever the hell it is you're doing

    As I'm sure you are well aware, it takes more than one person to be able to kick a player from a duty, so in all those instances there were at least two people agreeing they'd be better off without you tanking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Areic View Post
    Look at me, I want to be a special snowflake and not let anyone else get items that were of trivial difficulty to get anyway.

    How about no, they put a decent price on it, it's a year after the event, that's plenty of time for you to flaunt it on your character over new players. They're just meant to be cool little season things.
    Special snowflake eh? Yeah, like that insult has never been used before. As I said in my post, it's about encouraging active participation in events and of course remaining subscribed. But yes, I do think that you should have to participate in an event to receive its rewards. You snooze, you lose.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kosmos992k View Post
    Special snowflake eh? Yeah, like that insult has never been used before. As I said in my post, it's about encouraging active participation in events and of course remaining subscribed. But yes, I do think that you should have to participate in an event to receive its rewards. You snooze, you lose.
    Or you snooze, you buy it off the Mogstation and I get it free.

    I've been around for these events. I do not care if you want to buy the stuff off Mogstation. I've got mine! It doesn't mean less to me because you have it too! But I'm an adult so I'm of an entirely different mindset.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kattzkitti View Post
    Exclusivity is a cancer killing gaming, and anyone who supports it is what's wrong with gaming nowadays.
    Exclusive perks help drive sales during certain periods (example, pre-ordering a game). Heck, it's driven me to pre-order a few things myself. It's a valid business tactic.

    Quote Originally Posted by Darkobra View Post
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    But when the event is unfairly balanced that people would rather spend their time doing other things and then pick it up off the mog station (Yo Kai is the only example of this I have btw, for the other events, I haven't minded the grinds involved, such as the smaller doses of FATE farming, but Yo Kai was apparently ridiculous), whenever it becomes available, does highlight a flaw somewhere. Especially when you factor in current prices, the Yo Kai mount will probably be about £7 assuming it follows the same single character bound system as the White Devil/Red Baron. That's less than a month's sub, even at entry level! I can certainly see why it would upset some people, since you can only buy subs in minimum blocks of 1 month.
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    Last edited by Paladinleeds; 07-29-2017 at 04:26 AM.
    White Mage ~ Scholar ~ Paladin
    Quote Originally Posted by Spiroglyph View Post
    Boi if you got kicked for the same thing in over 20 duties I strongly suggest you think hard on whatever the hell it is you're doing

    As I'm sure you are well aware, it takes more than one person to be able to kick a player from a duty, so in all those instances there were at least two people agreeing they'd be better off without you tanking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paladinleeds View Post
    But when the event is unfairly balanced that people would rather spend their time doing other things and then pick it up off the mog station (Yo Kai is the only example of this I have btw, for the other events, I haven't minded the grinds involved, such as the smaller doses of FATE farming, but Yo Kai was apparently ridiculous), whenever it becomes available, does highlight a flaw somewhere.
    That Yo-Kai event was insane. Just doing the FATE grinding I leveled a Conjurer from about level 12 to a level 35 WHM before the FATEs were out of her range due to other field monsters.
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    Player Kosmos992k's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Avatre View Post
    That Yo-Kai event was insane. Just doing the FATE grinding I leveled a Conjurer from about level 12 to a level 35 WHM before the FATEs were out of her range due to other field monsters.
    LOL, it wasn't insane, it didn't take very long, and I got all the weapons I needed, I didn't bother with the 2nd mount, though I could have.
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    Uh....please take a look at your original post, followed by this one.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kosmos992k View Post
    Please make event gear harder to get outside of in-game events. Make more of the event gear obtainable only through the in-game events and not through the MogStation.
    Quote Originally Posted by Kosmos992k View Post
    Entitlement is a cancer killing gaming, and anyone who supports it is what's wrong with gaming nowadays.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kosmos992k View Post
    LOL, it wasn't insane, it didn't take very long, and I got all the weapons I needed, I didn't bother with the 2nd mount, though I could have.
    If you went for everything it was. And if your RNG was/is crap. RNG hates me and always takes forever to give me what I need to move on through quests(especially when FATEs are involved.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paladinleeds View Post
    Exclusive perks help drive sales during certain periods (example, pre-ordering a game). Heck, it's driven me to pre-order a few things myself. It's a valid business tactic.
    Yes. But it is completely inefficient business tactic for ongoing things. For MMO games, exclusivity is actually killing the business. There are many people that like collecting stuff, and if they know they won't have any chance of finishing their collection, they won't play the game at all.

    As for the argument that the event stuff is the "carrot", I'm afraid that doesn't hold grounds either, here. Hardly any person will ever buy something from mog station if they don't play the game, and to play the game, they will have to pay the subscription. If they paid the subscription, then they can get the event or not at their leisure. If they DID pay for the subscription and DIDN'T get the item due to whatever reason, but want it, then they will buy it. That way, Square Enix earns from BOTH the subscription AND the mog station at once.
    Then add to that people that weren't yet playing during the event that will want the items.

    All in all, this business tactic earns them more money AND makes more players happier. Mature players don't care about others having these things either, since they are just for the looks. Unfortunately elitism, even completely pointless where the only difference is when you found the game etc., is wide-spread in western and central communities of the world.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paladinleeds View Post
    But when the event is unfairly balanced that people would rather spend their time doing other things and then pick it up off the mog station (Yo Kai is the only example of this I have btw, for the other events, I haven't minded the grinds involved, such as the smaller doses of FATE farming, but Yo Kai was apparently ridiculous), whenever it becomes available, does highlight a flaw somewhere. Especially when you factor in current prices, the Yo Kai mount will probably be about £7 assuming it follows the same single character bound system as the White Devil/Red Baron. That's less than a month's sub, even at entry level! I can certainly see why it would upset some people, since you can only buy subs in minimum blocks of 1 month.
    But Yokai Watch was a crossover event and crossover event rewards are still the exception in the mogstation, and not the rule. I think Lightning gear is the only crossover event reward in the mogstation.
    It will be a nice surprise if it show up, but I will not expect it because there are no demanding threads every month about it like it was with Lightning. The demand just don't exist.
    And SE don't own Yokai, so it is a matter of if SE is allowed to sell it after the event ended or if obtaining the rewards is limited to the event
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    Last edited by Felis; 07-29-2017 at 09:08 AM.

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