I just can't stand this double standard shit. People who are pro dps meta, who talk shit about tenacity, who is all bis and damage is king mentality is here to complain about pld's utilities which are only mitigation oriented. For some reason, ppl even say pld do not loss dps while doing those things....wth???

clemency is a total gcd dps loss...
poa? it is the most powerful party mitigation and while doing it you loss TOTAL dps for the duration....and for stances? so ShO is great now? immediate mitigation? remember for dps stances the other 2 tanks got immediate dps gain! pld feels gain only after 3 gcd!!!

Paladin is not nearly godlike like warrior was, all things that paladin has right now are what should have back then in3.0 to be even with other tanks...

remember pld weak cuz of meta? right now warrior is "out" cuz meta too, cuz every so called best comp have sam and nin, if not slashing debuff of war is still utility king.