Remove PLD Utility?

[Starkbeaumont]

It would be the most boring job in the game with a simple rotation and simple buffs—these things work well with situational utility, and it would just be extremely dull without. I would stop playing PLD and heal or DPS.

Well you would replace the utility with something tanking and damage relevant. doesn't have to be dull

[Kalocin]

Leave Paladin alone, add more to War and Drk. Consider each job a tree with a direct line, each branch off is something different. The less of those, the more they all behave like that one line. Gist version: Homogenization, which is currently becoming an issue to begin with.

They got one job right, that's great and we need to leave it that way so they can focus on adding more to the other jobs.

What they need to stop doing is extreme knee-jerk actions which is why Paladins seem so great by comparison now, they hacked off the limbs and branches of the other jobs.

[Shinkyo]

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I think the thread is supposed to be sarcastic in a sense that some vocal people are saying "DPS is King, Utility is unecessary".
So following that mindset, PLD should have no issue being stripped of "unecessary" skill.
Nobody in their right mind wants that to happen...

[Tufelhunden]

I think the thread is supposed to be sarcastic in a sense that some vocal people are saying "DPS is King, Utility is unecessary".
So following that mindset, PLD should have no issue being stripped of "unecessary" skill.
Nobody in their right mind wants that to happen...

Nailed it!

[ovIm]

I think the thread is supposed to be sarcastic in a sense that some vocal people are saying "DPS is King, Utility is unecessary".
So following that mindset, PLD should have no issue being stripped of "unecessary" skill.
Nobody in their right mind wants that to happen...

Yes, I honestly would hate if PLD had its raid mitigation removed, the class does not need a nerf, as I have said numerous times in the forum before. This threat is a thought experiment based on the very response you have quoted there.

[347SPECTRE]

The way I see it is, they really shouldn't have thrown all DRKs utility into the Cross Roll clusterduck, that was an entirely stupid move and completely unnecessary, this wouldn't even be a conversation if they didnt pull that BS.

[Dizzy_Derp]

Yes, I honestly would hate if PLD had its raid mitigation removed, the class does not need a nerf, as I have said numerous times in the forum before. This threat is a thought experiment based on the very response you have quoted there.

Yes it does. Pld is in serious need of a nerf.
Tanks already do enough damage we don't need to keep bugging the others to compete with it. Pld is simply busted. Most utility and most damage is never going to be okay and with it's toolset it really needs to be taken down from where it's at. The simple fix would be to just remove it's dots.

[Phoenicia]

SO imagine if SAM had the following:

1. 20% ahead of the next highest DPS (which is true in all cases except BLM).
2. Slashing Resistance Down.
3. Piercing Resistance Down.
3. Trick Attack.
4. Shadewalker.
5. Battle Litany.
6. Foe Requiem.
Now tell me of ANY reason to bring anything other than 2 SAM in melee if not for the LB penalty.

Even easier imagine NIN doing the same DPS as SAM while keeping everything else the same.

That is exactly the situation of the tanks right now. Because right now, PLD has the following:

1. Same or higher DPS compared to the other two tanks.
2. Roughly same mitigation as WAR and miles ahead of DRK.
3. All forms of utility previously available to DRK is now available to PLD via role.
4. 4 forms of unique utility not available to ANY other class or role in game in the forms of Cover (which makes you take 20% less than the other target would), Divine Veil (AoE TBN), Passage of Arms (50% better than SCH/AST bubbles) and CD sharing via Intervention.
5. Only tank that can emergency heal allies via Clemency. Albeit at massive cost to DPS.

Think and ponder carefully why such is the case then tell me that PLD does not either need a DPS nerf or utility removal, inversely the other tanks need to be at least 10% ahead in DPS, which is 300+ DPS in our current gear levels.

~ Phoenicia ~

[ovIm]

Think and ponder carefully why such is the case then tell me that PLD does not either need a DPS nerf or utility removal, inversely the other tanks need to be at least 10% ahead in DPS, which is 300+ DPS in our current gear levels.

Here is the thing, I am a huge friend of buffs over nerfs, as buffs are generally met with more positive feelings than negative ones. I, personally, think that both DRK and WAR need some raid mitigation back to be able to compete with the DPS and the raid mitigation abilities a PLD brings. I am against a PLD nerf because I would prefer seeing a buff to both DRK and WAR.

[Phoenicia]

Here is the thing, I am a huge friend of buffs over nerfs, as buffs are generally met with more positive feelings than negative ones. I, personally, think that both DRK and WAR need some raid mitigation back to be able to compete with the DPS and the raid mitigation abilities a PLD brings. I am against a PLD nerf because I would prefer seeing a buff to both DRK and WAR.

I'm not really asking for a nerf. I can finally enjoy PLD because I feel useful and strong. I'm just pointing out the giant elephant in the room for everyone that tries to ignore it when they laughably say: "Tanks are balanced because same DPS" or something of the same level of hilarity. :P